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Soulcast Blog Part 3 April 09

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On the 20th April 09, Neil Sinclair, an ActionCoach M.L. from the U.K. got very involved in the Soulcast blog leading to some very lively exchanges. However at the end of the month, some people who didn’t seem to appreciate such open debate started to post massive blank posts making  access to the blog very slow. This worked to an extent, forcing contributors to take the discussion elsewhere, to a new blog on www.unhappyfranchisee.com

 This blog was attacked and destroyed just a few months later  but yet again the discussion simply moved on and no doubt that will continue to be the case for as long as ActionCoach continues to lie by omission and generally cheat on the information it provides to franchise prospects. What goes around comes around!

Meanwhile, as there is still a regular flow of stupid posts on the orginal soulcast blog designed to make it ever more difficult to access, here is another part of what will probably by a 5 part series.

   NeilGSinclair said on Apr 20, 2009….

I have been watching and reading this site with interest and some concern. Clearly there are some very disturbed people on this site; clearly there are also some very dishonest people on this site as well with hidden agendas and clearly there have been others whom are prepared to have their say and make their comments based on rationale thought and research.

I was tempted to ignore this site and all the accusations and negative comments about ActionCOACH, Brad, and in some cases in posts above, a few individuals whom are slinging mud at myself and some of my fellow ActionCOACH colleagues.  However, I have chosen to comment on this site for several reasons – the main reason is because I love this business – ActionCOACH – and I am extremely proud as to what I and my family have achieved and developed and for what we as a Business (ActionCOACH) have achieved globally and continue to achieve.  Having started as a Franchisee (Coach) in New Zealand, growing a very successful business there, changing many clients lives for the better, I was given the opportunity to become an Master Licensee in the UK in 2003 to help ActionCOACH expand in the UK market…the journey has been challenging….as it is for any business owner, yet it has also been extremely rewarding and has given me a huge sense of self-fulfilment and personal pride, knowing my team and I have personally positively changed many people’s lives.

I have made a post above many months ago and in that post I stated my contact numbers and skype address for anyone whom may want to contact me to discuss any of the comments in these posts or even if they actually wanted to speak with one of the few people in these posts whom are prepared to be above the line and actually state my name and give my contact details. Until today, I have not had one person contact me via these posts. I have had a query today, so I will respond.

Additionally, people are using the excuse, that they think or fear Brad would seek legal action against anyone whom spoke out against him or ActionCOACH.  I am no lawyer….yet I believe that if you were making accurate and truthful statements about Brad and ActionCOACH you would have nothing to fear as you can’t be successfully sued for telling the truth! If you aren’t telling the truth, then I would support anyone in protecting their own credibility and integrity.

There are a couple of questions in posts above that are asking myself to share with everyone some stats. I am going to share these numbers with everyone on this post. Before I do, I am also going to give everyone reading this post some ‘Thought provoking comments’ so that you all can use your own rational judgement on the stats I will share with you below – I am sure you are all intelligent people and can use your rationality and integrity to see through comments from people making extremely critical accusations (anonymously). I am also sure that there will be later posts from people whom will come back with negative comments to ‘further trash’ this post and create more doubt or scandalous comments about ActionCOACH or one or more of our teams reputation. All I ask you to do is to read this post – ask “Does these comments make sense? Could all the hundreds of testimonials online, people in ActionCOACH and the thousands of clients we have helped be doing so bad?….or is it more likely that there are a few ‘be-grunted’ people making negative posts here amongst the millions of people whom surf the net every day?” I do genuinely feel for these people and I hope and pray they will find peace in their lives.

Allow me to ask you a couple of very important questions;

<!–[if !supportLists]–>1.       <!–[endif]–>What do you think is the purpose of ActionCOACH Business Coaching as a Business Franchise Opportunity?

<!–[if !supportLists]–>2.       <!–[endif]–>Do you think that the realistic purpose of the ActionCOACH Franchise is to have everyone complete the first term of 5-7 years as a Franchisee?

<!–[if !supportLists]–>3.       <!–[endif]–>What do you think could be other purposes or outcomes that would be extremely beneficial to the people whom invest in an ActionCOACH Franchise?

ActionCOACH Vision – ‘World Abundance through Business Re-education!’

In my humble opinion the achievement of our vision is not just to affect our clients it is also there to have a dramatic effect on our Franchisees as well and in most cases does do….

ActionCOACH still does have some ‘outright’ business failures in our Franchise – ALL Business Industries and Franchises do…I will share more on this later.

I believe that there are four main outcomes for people whom invest in the Franchise and the stats I supply below support my comments. Most of these outcomes are in line with the ActionCOACH vision, yet may not be in-line with what you or most people in jobs/careers, when they first look at their first business would normally expect, which is to invest in the ActionCOACH business and remain a franchisee ‘living happily ever after forever and ever!’  The reality is that for most people the personal and professional growth in this Franchise is immense and this vast growth, opens so many other doors in the Entrepreneurial world – many doors that some Franchisees want to take and leave the Franchise and if that is what they want to do, I encourage them to do so. We want to create greater abundance in people’s lives and if this means using the ActionCOACH Franchise as a development ground for 2-5 years and leaving the Franchise to achieve even more Entrepreneurial opportunities – GO FOR IT! None of us want to lose Franchisees and Coaches – yet if we are going to lose a Franchisee, isn’t it better to lose them to a more abundant opportunity that has been created through being an ActionCOACH Franchisee? This does happen quite a bit! There are also quite a number of coaches whom are in our ‘Presidents Club’ (Longer than 5 years in Action – approx 200 I believe) many of whom are investors in other Businesses, property portfolios and make significant donations to Charities and other philanthropic organisations. I myself have bought, built and sold three other companies whilst I have been in ActionCOACH. This only supports my comments above and below. Anyway –  The four main outcomes for people whom invest in an ActionCOACH Franchise are;

<!–[if !supportLists]–>1.       <!–[endif]–>Some Franchisees – complete their first term of either 5 or 7 years and either stay on or go;

<!–[if !supportLists]–>2.       <!–[endif]–>Some Franchisees between 2-5 years as a Coach get fantastic offers by clients whom want their coach to leave ActionCAOCH and join their team and to invest in other Business Opportunities that offer them greater opportunities;

<!–[if !supportLists]–>3.       <!–[endif]–>Some Franchisees after 2-5 years decide to simply themselves invest in other Business opportunities by applying the knowledge they have learnt and experience they have gained through being an ActionCOACH;

<!–[if !supportLists]–>4.       <!–[endif]–>Some people fail in this business, which in my oppinion, in 100% of the failed cases is down to the Franchisee not doing the necessary sales and marketing activity necessary to achieve success in this business.

During the last 6 years, since I initially started marketing Franchises as a Master Licensee I have recruited 46 Franchisees of which 23 are still ActionCOACH Franchisees. Looking at these numbers, it would be easy to say ‘WOW’ only 50% are still Franchisees…yet let’s break this down further!  Please be aware that Growth is always slow when you first launch any Franchise in a country. In my first year in the UK, I only recruited 4 Franchisees, in the second year 5 Franchisees…and we have steadily grown from there. Of the 23 Franchisees whom are still with us – here is the number of years they have been in Action;

5+ Years – 1

4 Years – 2

3 years – 3

2 years – 8

1 year or less – 9

Now of the 23 Franchisees whom have exited the Franchise a further 13 left for  ‘Better Entreprenuerial opportunities’ or ‘Health Reasons’;

6 of these invested in another bigger business opportunity;

3 Franchisees were bought out by a Client to join them as a Partner in a much larger business opportunity;

2 paid a Franchise termination Fee to take Senior positions made available to them;

2 had to leave for ‘health reasons’!

So we now have a total of 36 people of the 46 to date whom are either still in the Franchise or have moved on to more abundant opportunities for themselves created through their experiences as a coach (except for the 2 with health reasons – yet I don’t regard these as a failure!)

Of the remaining 10 Franchisees – all 10 of these Franchisees did fail in their business solely for the reasons above – not enough sales and marketing activity.

The failure rate in Franchising is 20-25% as opposed to non-franchised SME’s which is 80-85%. You do your own figures on the info I have given you above. (I am sure these stats will create greater discussion !)

Now I want to mention here that there have been some ex-coaches commenting about the Franchise and how it did not work for them. I am genuinely sorry that this Franchise opportunity did not have a more positive outcome for these people…..There is a BIG ‘BUT’ coming….I have been a successful Franchisee, so I know ‘first-hand’ the amount of effort it takes to be successful in this business, just as many others do too!!!!  I have to ask the failed Coaches whom are commenting on these posts to also comment on their activity levels when they were a Franchisee in  posts below –  

<!–[if !supportLists]–>·         <!–[endif]–>“What their daily marketing and sales activity looked liked when they were a coach????”

<!–[if !supportLists]–>·         <!–[endif]–>“How many phone calls, networking events, direct mail pieces, ActionCOACH Seminars, ad critiques etc did they conduct each week/month???”

<!–[if !supportLists]–>·         <!–[endif]–>“How many appointments did they actually book in their first 6 months of their business???”

<!–[if !supportLists]–>·         <!–[endif]–>“What was their conversion rate through our 13 Steps 7 Touch process???”

<!–[if !supportLists]–>·         <!–[endif]–>“What learning activity and recordings did you undertake to improve both your lead generation and conversion rates???”

You see I have to ask some of these questions above, because these are the fundamentals of any successful ActionCOACH. Of the 10 Franchisees quoted above whom have failed in this business EVERYONE of them are people who really struggle with their beliefs systems around ‘Marketing and Selling’ especially when there can be a lot of ‘rejection’ involved in the marketing. It doesn’t matter how good our Marketing and Sales systems are if you have negative belief systems around marketing and sales! ‘You can’t lead a cavalry charge if you think you don’t look good on a horse!”

Our Franchise systems do work very well yet these systems only work when the people whom are using them work too! That is a fact. I am sure these failed Coaches will in most cases come up with many excuses ‘Why’ they couldn’t or wouldn’t do the marketing or sales necessary – yet the facts remain that ‘Failed Coaches’ just haven’t done the necessary work – and I am sure that will be a ‘Hard and bitter pill to swallow’ for these failed coaches. I am sorry but it is the true!

People in posts above quote of the number of people whom have left ActionCOACH since it started, please remember many of these people have not left worse off – they have in fact gone to more abundant opportunities that would have only been possible in such a short timescale if they had been an ActionCOACH. We do teach people how to get onto the Entrepreneurial ladder, some stay with us and others go…… my stats of Franchisees above indicate the fact that there are many more coaches whom have made a success either as a coach or have developed themselves as a Coach and Entrepreneur and now are in a much larger business opportunity – ‘Which in my eyes is helping to achieve World abundance through business re-education!’ That to me is the purpose of our Franchise – ‘To help Liberate Abundance for people whom want to escape the Corporate Rat Race’ and get on the Entrepreneurial ladder.

Again I offer to anyone who reads these posts to feel free to contact me in person. My name is Neil Sinclair, I am a Master Licensee in the UK my phone number is 0044 1908699930 (changed since last post due to move into a larger office); you can skype me on ‘neilsinclairliberator’ or e-mail me on neilsinclair@actioncoach.com

Regards Neil Sinclair

P.S. – ‘You thoughts either strengthen you or weaken you – its your choice!’

   

   anonymous said on Apr 20, 2009….

How gracious of Neil to respond. 100% unverifiable information. But gracious nonetheless. Thank you Neil. This information will be placed in the stack of “Action Facts… About Action, From Action.”

How clever to suggest that affiliation with Action results in greater opportunities. According to these figures there must be hundreds of ex-Actionites who must LOVE Action for touching their lives not only by giving them an opportunity to buy the franchise, but also to receive the unexpected benefit of being quickly recruited for their amazingness by firms with much bigger opportunities. Surely these hundreds of people would sing the praises of Action. All we need now is for some of them to offer their contact information. We shouldn’t even need all 300-500 of them. Let’s just have, say 50. I can assure you that if I were so blessed by opportunities not afforded to me until I had been graced by affiliation with Action I would absolutely offer up my support.

Now THAT would be verifiable proof!

   anonymous said on Apr 20, 2009….

Mate, it sounds like you need an ActionCOACH to help you get over this!! 🙂

   anonymous said on Apr 20, 2009….

Not that I have any love for Mr. Sugars or his ilk, but I just noticed something…

Marcus Management/Platinum Hotel’s attorney-on-record for case #09-A-58765 against ActionCOACH is Nancy L. Allf.

That name has appeared on this page before…  Nancy L. Allf is also representing none other than Richard Bernstein in case #08-A-568654.

Curious, don’t you agree?

   anonymous said on Apr 20, 2009….

Blah blah blah… ” And then Brad Walked on Water, and parted the sea”…
Here are some facts that even a brain dead baboon could not ignore:
1. The action UFOC is PROVEN to be full of lies and deceipt
2. No matter how you look at it, Action has the HIGHEST number of franchise failures of any franchise I have ever researched.. or hear of for that matter
3. Any success that a frachisee has is due to his/her own effort, and NOT a result of the action system
4. Attempts to cover up the facts are clear
5. The post mentioned earlier regarding the previous employees starting their own franchise is false. While its true that 2 former employees of Action started their own franchise, I know them both personally, and neither has  made even ONE single statement on this site. Also, the business that was started was sold, and is MORE successful than Action ever could be. In addition, the beautiful thing is this… the business was started with BRAD”S MONEY !!! Because the employee was paid to keep his mouth shut about the UFOC, and Brad hiding money from his shareholders !! If this person DID say something on this post, it would be in violation of a “gag order” issued during the lawsuit that Brad lost !!!! 🙂

   anonymous said on Apr 20, 2009….

Hi Neil, thank you for your detailed post, I am a coach who completed 5 years and opt not to renew because of ‘value challenge’ with the ML team in my territory. I have no complaints about my 5 years, I made money, I learnt and I have great clients who are still great friends today, so this is not a ‘bash action’ post. However, I do want to point out some 2 flaws in your post. First, you mentioned coaches paying Franchise Termination Fees to get out, there is NO SUCH CLAUSE in the agreement, which was why so many suffered in my territory. Are you saying the clauses varies from territory to territory? This is interesting because if it is, I am inclined to inform my former team mates so that they can fight it out with HQ directly, currently the ML use vague ‘HQ standard agreement’ for every question asked. I hope you can enlighten us here if you are actually telling the truth. In fact, the main reason I didn’t renew was because I was told I have to pay the next 7 years admin fees whether I operate the business or not. Care to comment? Second, I agree with you regarding the effort required to be successful in an actioncoach franchise and I salute you if you tell it as it is in your selection process. However, the blame falls on the coach ONLY IF THE SELECTION PROCESS WAS TRUTHFUL. There are many cases where the franchise is sold as though it is a ‘retail’ franchise where a rosy picture is painted… as if a franchisee can ‘set up shop’ and customers will walk in. Other MLs who are monitoring this thread know who they are. (It’s quite easy to find out anyway, from the ML’s test&measure figures, if they have unusually high turnover of coaches as well as team members, find out why, discretely.) Some used fear to suppress their coaches and prevent any direct line of communication. Do NOT claim this is not happening because ‘Brad is open and the culture is open’. It’s happening. It’s a fact. The stink of any organization starts from the top as coaches coach their clients, funny how in action, the blame is always on the coaches who didn’t make the grade but the MLs are always blameless. Therein lies my value challenge. Would you now patronizingly ‘pray for my soul’?

   anonymous said on Apr 20, 2009….

to the above post.. Neil is outside the US and its most likely a difference in the franchise law in the UK. AND I’d like to ad, another way for Brad to make money. If he DID charge to get out of the system, he’d make a killing from people here in the US f who want to terminate their agreement. Wouldnt that be “interesting”. 

   anonymous said on Apr 21, 2009….

Hi Neil. Thank you for an excellent post, far better than any of the other contributions that have been made from people representing Action over the last few months.

As you expected, it does invite a few more questions though. For now we will give you the benefit of the doubt about the figures but just ask you what happened to Angela Chapman who was listed in the Central Midlands until very recently… ?

More importantly, one still can still only wonder why so many people leave a franchise which is advertised as being one of the most profitable businesses on earth – low overheads, high margins, recession proof… etc. etc.

Might it just be that it is so hard to make a living in this business that at lot of people will quickly jump at any chance to leave the boat?

So, while you were indeed very open about the number of people you have recruited and the numbers who have already left, you were somewhat less forthcoming about average earnings by coach and I have very good reason to believe that it is not a very pretty picture and never has been. 

However, as I really believe you are sincere,  I would like to submit the following thoughts to you;

Lies of Omission:  

To lie by omission is to remain silent and thereby withhold from someone else a vital piece (or pieces)  of information.   The silence is deceptive in that it gives a false impression to the person from whom the information was withheld.   It  subverts the truth;  it is a way to manipulate someone  into altering their behavior to suit the desire of the person who intentionally withheld the vital information;  and, most importantly, it’s a gross violation of another person’s right of self-determination

The Biggest Lie About Lies —  A Lie of Omission Is Not a Lie!

A lie of omission is the most insidious, most pervasive, and most common lie on the entire planet.   Commonly, those who use this type of lie, have conned themselves into believing that to intentionally remain silent when ethical behavior calls for one to speak up is not a lie at all.   In spite of overwhelming evidence that their silence deceives, misleads, and often causes untold grief and misery, they refuse to speak the truth.   

Caught in Their Own Lies:

Here’s a strange fact about lies and about   the telling of false stories that you may not be aware of.   The quote from Adolph Hitler, “Tell a lie often enough, loud enough, and long enough, and people will believe you.” applies to the liar as well as to his intended target.   

There’s a part of the human psyche that tends to accept that which is repeatedly put into the mind (Everyone in Action has had this drummed into them! ).   As a result, the peddler of lies very often reaches a point where he/she believes that his/her lies are actually the truth.    Very frequently, loving well-meaning people get caught in these false stories and perpetuate them.

 Neil, it’s up to you to decide where you stand regarding these thoughts but like someone else has posted just above, if all pertinent information (including average earnings by coach) is not provided to prospects during the selection process, then you are effectively guilty of lying by omission…

   anonymous said on Apr 21, 2009….

Here is the interesting thing about franchise acts: whichever country it is, it will specify the parameters for the agreement but it is up to the franchisor to choose what to enforce. In my territory we were sold on the basis that the agreement is standard for all and non-negotiable in any way because it came direct from corporate. We were also told even if those clauses were not applicable in a territory, it is still in it in case of ‘future enforcability’. So I am curious whether Neil let slip that the agreement is non-standard after all, which will give my former team mates a legal basis to fight it out. Or, perhaps he decided to selectively enforce on his coaches on a case-by case basis, in which case again I salute his integrity. I believe in most cases and most countries, whether to release the franchisee or not, with or without an escape clause, is up to the franchisor but knowing that the clause is actually non-standard will be an interesting point for those still in it. The entire thing stinks if a franchisor, taking advantage of the franchise act protection, decide to operate on the basis of “hardsell and milk”. If Neil doesn’t, I am happy for his coaches. But in the territory I was in that was exactly how it was. Even if a coach went 100%, do the activities, read the books, attend all the training sessions…. and at the end of it all found that he/she really don’t have what it takes, he/she couldn’t get out even if he/she offer the ML 3-6 months admin fee as settlement. I know of coaches who borrowed money to finance their admin fees to the point where they were about to declare bankruptcy before the ML supposedly ‘out of goodwill’ release them. But I suspect it is more out of not wanting bad publicity of an action franchisee going bankrupt rather than out of goodwill. Some take legal action against the ML for overpromise, which always result in out of court settlement plus gag orders so we don’t really know what happen to those. Believe me, some franchisees wouldn’t mind letting Brad or the ML team milk them one last time from a termination fee, if they are allowed to do so.

   NeilGSinclair said on Apr 21, 2009….

May I just make it perfectly clear – that despite the ‘anonymous’ posters whom are hiding behind their anonymity are asking me to declare personal information on specific individuals, I will not break the UK law (data protection act) nor with I break Ethical and morale codes of conduct in our profession by naming and speaking about specific Individuals whom have been Franchisees.

I again want to point out that none of the Individuals concerned have answered even just 1 of my questions above about their activity as a Franchisee – ‘Why?’ Could it be that this puts the emphasis for their failure back on them? That would be a ‘hard and bitter pill to swallow’ – I know I would find that difficult as well…yet I must encourage them to get out of Denial here! There are many coaches whom have been successful in this business. Some people have argued that these coaches would have achieved this success despite them…. I have to tell you that I do not believe that to be true at all. I was a Primary Franchisee and Coach in New Zealand and I can categorically tell you that I would not have survived as a Business Coach if I didnt have the systems available to me? Any  reasonable person just needs to look at other Business Coaches outside of Action and Business Coaching Franchises to find the Truth behind the ‘You dont need the ActionCOACH systems’ argument. Our success rate is much higher…what is the difference. Just to clarify this point more…..there were two gentleman whom left ActionCOACH after being coaches and later started to help develop another Business Coaching Franchise. After a few years I amongst others looked to buy that Franchise as part of increasing our Business Portfolio through an acquisition and merger. When we did the research we found that the Franchisees in that Franchise were earning less than half of the earnings of our ActionCOACHes and about 30% of their Franchisees were people we turned away from our Franchise! So we made the decision we didnt want to acquire that Business. So some of the arguments above around the ‘ActionCOACH systems’ in my mind are extremely flawed. Additionally I would be very interested to find out if any of the anonymous posters making these comments are successful business people or are they unsuccessful business people trying to give people advise on how to be successful? Ask yourself -‘If I was going to become an Entrepreneur and get into my own business, would I take advise from ‘The World’s #1 Business Coaching Franchise’ that has and is helping thousands of companies or would I take advise from a few ‘begruntled’ individuals whom may have failed in this business?

Now let me also just confirm that Brad Sugars hasn’t invented most of the ActionCOACH system – The Franchisees have! Brad certainly put together the basic framework and over the years the Franchisees have addes to our systems to enhance our ActionCOACH systems. ActionCOACH Global still are developing alot of systems material, yet so do the franchisees. I have no challenge with this. Just ask yourself….Do you think Richard Branson designed and built all the Virgin systems himself? Do you think Bill Gates designed and built all the Microsoft Systems and products himself? Of course they didnt…yet they have developed a series of products and services that are theirs. Brad Sugars has every right to run the ActionCOACH business the way we are….it is the collection of a series of systems into one ActionCOACH system that is the true value here. If Brad or ActionCOACH were in breach of any registered copyright do you think the owners of that I.P. might sue ActionCOACH – I am not aware of this happening.

Regarding the Franchise agreement question – I am not familiar with the other Countries around the world (because I dont need to know), yet in the UK Franchise agreements there is a ‘Termination fee’ clause in there….and ‘Yes’ I have had 2 people pay me this fee to go to other opportunities.

Don’t bother asking me to mention names I will not break that code of ethics and the law!

I ask the ‘ex-coaches’ again to answer my questions in my post above. This is my challenge to them – as if they answer my questions truthfully – ALL will be revealed as to what the real issue is to their failures. I empathise with these people and the outcome they have had, yet hopefully they can take the learnings to acheive a more abundant life from here…

Regards Neil Sinclair

   anonymous said on Apr 21, 2009….

Neil, Very interesting information and congratulations on your success. As an ex-coach, I tremendouly enjoyed being apart of AC for the 6 months I was employed. However, I do not beleive the proper way to increase the size of an organization is by hiring volume. I would never tell a business owner to hire 100 people to have only 5 people succeed in a two year period. But, this business hires by volume and charges a tremendous amount of money to become a coach. I know for a fact of the 20+ people I trained with, only two are still coaches and successful ones at that. The rest, including myself, became finacially “challenged” with bad feelings from all. It’s sort of like the Madoff ponzi scheme…You are told of the incredible return, you invest, continuously told of a promised return, and when it comes to the end, you are the big looser. You must admit, this causes very bad feelings and this thread shows the negetivity of the scheme. Again, while I was employed, enjoyed being apart of it. It just cost me way to much to have fun.

   anonymous said on Apr 21, 2009….

Neil, Very interesting information and congratulations on your success. As an ex-coach, I tremendouly enjoyed being apart of AC for the 6 months I was employed. However, I do not beleive the proper way to increase the size of an organization is by hiring volume. I would never tell a business owner to hire 100 people to have only 5 people succeed in a two year period. But, this business hires by volume and charges a tremendous amount of money to become a coach. I know for a fact of the 20+ people I trained with, only two are still coaches and successful ones at that. The rest, including myself, became finacially “challenged” with bad feelings from all. It’s sort of like the Madoff ponzi scheme…You are told of the incredible return, you invest, continuously told of a promised return, and when it comes to the end, you are the big looser. You must admit, this causes very bad feelings and this thread shows the negetivity of the scheme. Again, while I was employed, enjoyed being apart of it. It just cost me way to much to have fun.

   anonymous said on Apr 21, 2009….

Hi Neil, not interested to know who paid you termination fee to exit, enough to know that termination clause is not a ‘standard hq agreement’ that is imposed on all territories uniformly and non-negotiable, as claimed. But I do disagree with what you said that ALL ex-coaches fail because of lack of activity. I happen to know at least one during my time, who was passionate and went 110% but simply do not have the self confidence to close anyone. He had more appointments than most of us! I personally believe there are others like him who didn’t make it for reasons other than activity level. So yes it’s not fair for ex-coaches to blame it all on action but it is also not fair for you to boil down all failures to one reason. You are right there are some who went in expecting leads to be passed to them, I’ve met those too and yes, those do deserve to fail (Provided again, they were painted an absolutely clear picture of what it takes to be successful, UPFRONT. Some were not.) While you seem to be clear what it takes to be a successful coach and you probably will turn away those who will not, in your opinion, make the grade, can you speak for the whole of Action that every ML have the same principles like you? Can you speak on behalf of all MLs in action, that not a single one of them have signed on coach prospects whom they knew or suspected in their hearts will not make it? No. You can only speak for yourself and your territory and your approach in selecting franchisees. This is why this debate will not end. However, since I am out and I’ve said my piece, I will not be back here again. Those who failed move on with your lives and take the learning’s with you. Those who succeeded enjoy your success and know that in the business you are in, you will not be successful unless you thoroughly deserve it. Well done. For those considering the franchise, if you are the type of person Neil described above, you will make it no matter who your ML is. And finally, yes the failure rate is much higher than claimed.

   anonymous said on Apr 21, 2009….

Neil, your arguments are extremely flawed in some areas. First of all, Richard Branson & Bill Gates do NOT run franchises, everyone is EMPLOYEES who worked for them and are paid salaries to develop their systems. In the case of Bill Gates, many became millionaires from stock options. Action franchisees PAY fees to be part of the system and they also developed most of the system based on the ‘structure’ put in by Brad Sugars, you do not think something is wrong with your logic? You don’t know the difference between being paid to contribute versus paying for the privilege to contribute? Unless you are only referring to former employees in your post 🙂 Secondly, you blamed every single failure to lack of activities on the part of the coaches. How about having a more honest recruitment system that filter them out upfront so that the franchise has a much better reputation and you don’t have to put up with a blog like this? Isn’t that win-win for all? But wait, that also means Master Licensees like you will make much less. The franchise sale is profitable upfront for a Master Licensee even if a Coach terminate immediately after training and never made a single cent as you well know. So every one of you is so professional you are not tempted to take the money first and hope for the best? It’s interesting how everyone involved in franchise sales in actioncoach have this belief about franchisees hardwired into their brains such that they see no flaw with themselves only with their franchisees. Thirdly, I read through the entire thread again and can’t seem to find many references to coaches not needing the action system and making it own their own. On the other hand, there are tons of posts about being oversold, scripted due diligence and withholding vital information during the sales process. Why not address that instead? The poster above seems to think just because you gave a set of figures, you have integrity as compared to your colleagues; he’s probably influenced by the fact that he was part of the system once.

   anonymous said on Apr 21, 2009….

Aha-ha-ha! Anom you really nailed it. Comparing Gates & Branson to Sugars, employee vs. franchise, getting paid vs. paying… and concluding it’s all the same. To come out with such an example truly reflect the values & mindset of the people involved. That’s why they see no wrong in their sales method, that’s why they see all failures as not their own. Preaching ownership but practising blame.

   NeilGSinclair said on Apr 21, 2009….

Just to clarify a couple of comments;

Regarding the post above….I did state in my earlier posts the reason for failure is a lack of Marketing and Sales activity…..this sales activity includes many areas. One of these areas, which is specific for the person referred above whom didn’t have the confidence to sell is recording your calls, conversations, appointments etc….reviewing them, writing up a synopsis on what you did well and what you can improve on…sending this into your ML or another experienced coach for review. Alternatively, going out on appointments with other coaches or having someone attend appointments with you to give you feedback and advice. Either of these two training and support mechanisms work fine when the Coach needing the progress actually does these.  Everyone in ActionCOACH understands that basic business formula ‘Leads x Conversion rate = Customers’ We too are business owners and also need to apply this principle and ensure that we have development strategies in both these areas to achieve our 90 day targets and goals.

Again I note that none of the ex-coaches who have been posting on here are prepared to quote their activity numbers when they were in the ActionCOACH Franchise – Anyone reading these posts will have to ask ….’Why?’ If it was the ActionCOACH systems at fault – people should be quoting their weekly/monthly activity stats and showing us how regardless of their activity in Marketing and Sales our systems hindered their development or simply didnt work….’The reality is the facts are confirmed above by the previous poster…that there are many successful coaches whom have applied the ActionCOACH systems very well to achieve a successful business.

I do agree with another post and will say to people that the ActionCOACH Franchise is not right for everyone….We are looking for confident people whom are passionate about achieving success in Business for themselves and others. Additionally you must be a confident person whom is prepared to learn and diligently apply the marketing and sales systems that are core to bringing on clients in our business. If you have a major issue around getting rejection from people whilst you are marketing and selling our services, then I would suggest that you shouldn’t be in any sales role that requires you to be a ‘Problem Solver’ in sales. If you are still going to be in a business and do have these issues, then I would suggest you consider a business that requires you to simply to be an ‘Order Taker’ such as a fast food outlet! I have never heard of anyone walking up to a Fast food counter and then saying ‘Sorry I’m not interested!’

Regarding the Franchise agreement mentioned above – I do know the Franchise agreement for the UK is standard and I am fairly certain that the agreements are standard by country as the Franchise laws are different in each country. Franchise agreements are updated regularly and new clauses etc are introduced due to many factors such a Franchise Association changes, recommendations etc.
You just need to be aware of what is contained in the agreement and given the stats I have shared above, you will not know what Entrepreneurial doors will be opened to you in the future as an ActionCOACH, so I strongly suggest you are aware of your exit strategy options. Just as we advise to ALL business owners….everyone should start a business with an end in mind, understanding what is their range of exit strategies.

For anyone reading these posts, it is always good to have a level of ‘healthy scepticism’ to fully review opportunities. I recommend for any business opportunity actually speak with the people whom are in the business to hear their experiences. If after reading the posts on this site and speaking with the people in the ActionCOACH Business your mindset is swaying towards the mindset and comments of the negative posters on this site…then this ActionCOACH Franchise is probably not the right business for you….If you are an optimistic realists whom after spending a few weeks fully reviewing the Franchise opportunities diligently are confident you can combine your positive attributes and skillset, with our training, support and systems to acheive a successful business that will help you achieve your goals…then this will probably be the right business for you.

Again I do ‘feel for’ the people whom have invested in an ActionCOACH Franchise and failed and I wish them every success in their future endeavours. What I do not accept though is for these people to attempt to blame ActionCOACH for their failure, although understandable, in order to shy the responsibility away from themselves and their own abilities to apply the ActionCOACH systems, this is simply not the truth. Do your own research, we have many successful coaches whom have learnt great ‘Entrepreneurial skills’ still in our Franchise network and whom have left our network as well as thousands of clients whom have benefited greatly from having an ActionCOACH Business Coach.

Again, I offer for anyone wanting to speak with me to contact me via any of my contact details above.

   anonymous said on Apr 21, 2009….

I’ve been watching this for a while and can’t hold back any more I just have to get this out. I’ve written it off line while others have recently posted. Isn’t it interesting that we are coming to similar conclusions.

The two Gentlemen who started a separate coaching franchise were deemed unsuccessful you but your comparison is all wrong. If your sales process makes claims and omits the facts that there is a HUGE failure rate you are committing fraud. Other coaching franchise systems not withstanding the Action franchise cannot stand on its own, the failure rate proves this.  If you were telling the truth in your sales process, your failure rate would be lower because the intake of new franchisees would be lower and draw people who can understand the risk and potentially do better. There is agreed aspect of selling the franchises under false pretences and that is why this thread will not die. You accuse people here hiding behind anonymity but you are hiding behind the law that entitles you to disclose only a small amount of the turnover rate of franchises.

I as a former coach understand the need to help dysfunctional small businesses That’s why I got involved a chance to use my business knowledge in a new and large market. A huge market, but a tough one to crack, as I found out. The vast majority of small business owners don’t have the funds to pay for coaches; nail salons and hair dressers. The number one reason for business failure is not attitude; it’s undercapitalization. The tactics are very light on hard-core help for business.

Action was sold to me as a Lifestyle business. Work from home; work as little or as much as you like; we have a great system, let it work for you. Do you drive your business or does your business drive you? Work ON your business rather than IN your business. It all sounded very appealing. Look at your own marketing materials.

The issue is the support and training promised for a $1500 fee every month; that’s $18,000 annually. That transfer of wealth is for what consideration? Repackaged plagiarized material that, yes, is added to by the coaches. You want to make more coaches successful? Get rid of the on going costs, have the coaches participate in a members only web forum for small fee to cover a small administrative staff. You even said it yourself that the coaches are adding to the materials, Let them own it themselves! You are giving it to Action and paying for the right to look at your own material. The system is at the heart of action and it just doesn’t exist. That is the come-on that gets people in. You sign up make an investment and we’ll provide on going support you for $18,000 a year on top of the franchise fee. Oh and by the way you need to pay to go to conferences, you need to buy out website, you need to buy our office materials, Oh yes the 5% of gross sales for a marketing fee. Cha-Ching!

Action doesn’t think much of other coaching schools: even though accredited universities and colleges around the world offer their accredited programs. How is the Action program accredited? By an organization, that Action set up! That is manufactured evidence you rely on to get the sale!

This is why you don’t need Action You have been duped into thinking that you are actually getting something in return for your initial investment, your training fee your annual $18,000.00 plus all the extra costs.

All of the materials are in the public domain or stolen from other sources:

5 ways = Jay Abraham

Be Do Have = L Ron Hubbard, Scientology

BFO Blinding Flash of the Obvious = Landmark Education, Aha

6Steps = Abraham Maslow

Leverage game = Cashflow, Kiyosaki

and on … and on… because you are not personally aware of any lawsuits doesn’t mean there aren’t any… re-read the thread.

They one bit of total truth in your post Mr. Sinclair is that you will be ripped apart by anonymous posters by your support of Action even though you admit it has flaws. You as others are part of a group that has adopted a belief that has a fatal flaw; a culture that Franchisees have to live by but not the leaders or the corporation.   Rather than attack your rosy view of Action and your tendency to avoid the issue. I’d rather attack the root issue.

You will make an abundant amount of cash to give to your ML to give to Brad. You can keep some of it but you’d better hustle your butt. Where is the lifestyle? Theirs is abundance only for one, BRAD. He’s the one getting rich. I sat in an Action conference and looked around the room at the 100 or so Franchisees and looked at the stage. The vision I has was one of streams of money flowing from each person to Brad onstage. The BFO I had was that all of the audience was struggling and Brad was talking; beating us up and berating us for “not following the system”. That’s value for my money? I didn’t invest for mind control. I invested to use a system that was promised to me. Action is expensive especially after you learn what you are really buying after the sale. Give me lots of money and I’ll change your attitude. That’s the system; that’s the con.

Tell us, where is the value that Action provides you, or other coaches with, that you have not created yourselves?

Your answer will truly tell you why you, and a handful of other coaches are successful.

I’ve read through this entire thread and can only come to the conclusion that current Action coaches are just like Zombies who have put their brains on hold. Understandably so; when you make an investment in something (a big investment) you irrationally support it even though you were cajoled into it; it’s too painful not to. The action brand has built a community that exists for the lining of Brad’s pockets. That community is one that can be owned by the coaches, for the coaches, for less cost and the same if not better benefit.

Coaches, you need a new business model.

WAKE UP!

   anonymous said on Apr 21, 2009….

Neil is ‘amazing’ as he can pick on points from posters above him to support his own views even when it is obvious to other readers he took those points totally out of context. He, like everyone else whether openly or covertly defend the action system till date, absolutely refuse to address all posts relating to their sales process and the absolute dishonesty of that process. Ignoring it will not make it go away. And most scary to me after reading the above exchanges, it seems like some master licensees refuse to release their franchisees who no longer want to be part of the system even if they are willing to pay termination fees, they would hold the franchisee to the agreement until he/she lost all capacity to pay by which time they would still demand a settlement fee. Potential franchisees beware. Even if you believe you will be very successful and you really are, things might change in your life such that you want to move on to something else. It seems like if you join Action, you have no way out except to declare bankruptcy unless you are part of Neil’s team.

   NeilGSinclair said on Apr 21, 2009….

This will be my last post on this subject for quite a while. If anyone wants to speak with me in person, please contact me through any of my details in posts above.

I have to comment on the ‘Employee vs Franchisee’ model argument. ‘Yes’ there are many people whom have had share profit schemes in Microsoft and Virgin etc – yet not everyone has been made wealthy from these schemes nor have they been given the same opportunities or rewards as the majority of the shares etc go to management! At least when you invest in an Actioncoach Franchise you know what the investments are up front and the possible return on investment is. I have to say that the potential returns, the autonomy and lifestyle available to all our Franchisees as successful Business Owners far outweighs the average earnings, corporate culture and lack of autonomy available to the majority of people working in or for large corporate Businesses.
Prior to joining ActionCOACH  many years ago, I never earnt more than 50k per year, since joining Action, I earnt 120k in profit my first year as a Coach ( I clearly banked much more than that) and since then have substantially increased my profits year on year. The lifestyle and autonomy has been amazing and my personal and professional development in ActionCoach supercedes by far my entire career development and University studies in the last 20 years. I doubt if I could have learnt all the Entrepreneurship skills anywhere else as quickly!

Our ActionCOACH Franchise Model is developed and innovated by both the Global Office Team and all the Franchisees in the network. Everyone gets to share this information and everyone gets the equal opportunity to gain and prosper from any and all developments as they can use them in their ActionCOACH business.
With well over a 1000 coaches world-wide we have a large amount of Entrepreneurial innovations within our business happening. We all want access to these innovations and developments when we begin in the Franchise and into the future and as part of the Franchise agreement we agree that any developments/innovations we may make are also are shared with the entire ActionCOACH Franchise and these innovations become the IP of ActionCOACH. This is how we develop the Franchise Model. This model is extremely cost effective for anyone wanting the enter the Business Coaching Market consider all the training, support, systems, models and artifacts made available to them.

Additionally – reading the posts above, I get a sense that some people do not fully understand what ‘Investing in an ActionCOACH Franchise’ really is. I have to ask.. “What do you think you are buying when you invest in an ActionCOACH Primary Franchise License? What you are doing is leasing a ‘Business Model’ from ActionCOACH for a specific term – generally 3 terms of 5 to 7 years. During these term you are given the rights, the training, the systems and support to operate an ActionCOACH Franchise whereby your aim should be to maximise your earnings and generate cashflow/profit that you can ‘re-invest’ into other weath generating opportunities – be they enhancing your business or property portfolio etc. At the end of your term(s) if you decide not to renew, you either re-sell your business license and client base or at the very least hand back all the Business systems and the business model that is the I.P. of ActionCOACH.

In a post above an anonymous poster stated “That’s why they see no wrong in their sales method, that’s why they see all failures as not their own. Preaching ownership but practising blame.” This is simply ridiculous – Let me explain the support the ML’s give to our Franchisees. I do not ‘Blame’ them, yet with all the support on offer below, I do want them to take ownership. I as an ML offer 100% Inclusion on all our training and support – the main question is are they 100% involved? From my experience, the Coaches whom I have had fail outright in this business do not participate in all the support activities that they need to. Now I do take some ownership for them not participating as I am their ML and Leader here. Yet you know the saying ‘You can lead a horse to water….but you cant make it drink!” When I was a coach I participated in everything on offer – because I was hungry for knowledge and success and I wanted to learn from and model what was being successfully achieved.   In addition to the Global Training conducted, here is the support the ML’s give to the Franchisees;

  1. Every Coach is offered a Coaches Coach/Accountability Coach to help develop their skillsets and to stay focused on their 90 day plans. Access to these coaches is given initially weekly and as their income rises the support deminishes to a monthly call;
  2. All Franchisees are required to have a 90 Day plan;
  3. Franchisees are offered training support in the field either by their ML or the ML can contract another coach to do this;
  4. Monthly Regional Conference calls with a guest speaker on business development;
  5. Monthly regional training days on applying the ActionCOACH systems;
  6. A CD of the Month whereby the Global office interviews the top 3 coaches around the world on a specific area of our Franchised business;
  7. Book of the month is supplied to all Coaches for them to read to enhance their professional/personal development;
  8. Brad runs weekly development webinars on the Thursdays for all Coaches around the world to access;
  9. Coaches are given an IPOD with over 40 Gigs of our training material, videos and systems on it;
  10. Annual Regional (European/North American etc) 3-4 days Conference;
  11. Annual Global 3-4 day Conference.

Now reading through this incomplete list of support, anyone reading this list can clearly see that there is ample support for our Franchisees (More than any other Franchise I know. I am a member of the British Franchise Association and I do not know of any other Franchises that offer more support.) Despite this list of support we still do have failures in this business – You have to wonder – ‘Why and How?’

As an ML I take my leadership and support role extremely seriously. It is the retention of Franchisees that is an integral part of my business and retention is best achieved by helping them to achieve the results and success they desire and building relationships with them. I offer all the support above and more as a wider range of options for my franchisees to succeed. A challenge does develop when Franchisees negative beliefs around learning how to apply our marketing and sales systems affects their ability to be successful in this business. Anyone my team identifies with this challenge, will be turned away from being rewarded a Franchise.  We still do get some Franchisees whom develop this belief and behaviour over time simply because they are not doing enough of the Marketing and Sales activity that is stipulated in my posts above to build their own self-belief adn confidence that they can make a success of this business – Despite all the training and support on offer. Once I am in a situation whereby my desire for their success is greater than their desire for success – they just won’t make a success of this business and we are both doomed! However, as you can see from the stats in my posts above I have many more coaches do successfully learn the systems and go on to prosper.

As you will see from our Website their still are many successful coaches in our network or whom have been in our network and learnt what they needed to learn to move to a better Entrepreneurial opportunity for them.

Again if anyone reading these posts want to contact me directly – please contact me via my details in one of my posts above. I am more than happy to speak with you. This is my last post on here for quite a while. I feel I have done my bit and given you all plenty of information.

Regards Neil Sinclair – ‘Liberator of Abundance!’

P.S. I wish the posters making negative comments every success in your future endeavours.  Your thoughts either strengthen you or weaken you – its your choice!

   anonymous said on Apr 21, 2009….

Brad Sugars does no background check on his employees. As shown in this site a few convicted felon’s have worked as executives for ActionCoach. Brad is smart enough to know what better person to keep his fraudulent activity quiet than somebody with a criminal mind and past. Brad knew he was slamming people with false claims and he got these criminals to do his dirty work for him. No respectable company would hire people like this. When it came out these ex felon’s worked for Brad, rather than terminate them he promoted them.

   anonymous said on Apr 21, 2009….

Neil, Like you this will be my last entry. A brief snapshot of my seven months with AC involved the following: – I never met my ML nor had any conversations with him. – My DL had a very negetive approch to corporate because he felt they were thieves. After training, I was instructed by him not to communicate with corporate. If I needed anything, to go through him. – My percentage was 35% and then I was taxed which meant I needed to have 15 clients to survive. – To get a client, my DL first handed me a stack of business cards and said start calling. I was then handed phone lists and told to call as well. I could go on with all the negetive stuff I encountered but then some might suggest I’m just a disgruntled ex-employee. Well, it’s true…I’m an ex-employee and I’m disgruntled because I was ignorant and fell for the sales pitch. Luckily I was only taken for 25K. An expense lesson. I know a DL that was taken for 200k. A real expensive lesson. So for anyone remotely considering investing into this business, read this entire thread and complete an extensive do diligence not only with current and ex-employees, I also suggest retaining an attorney to do a thorough investigation. The cost of the investigation will save you big bucks. Promise.

   anonymous said on Apr 21, 2009….

Hi Neil. Your 1st post made you sound like quite a decent guy but it has been downhill all the way every since. I think you might just have been a little too long with Action for your own good as you seem to have completely lost your ability to stand back from things.

In your last post you go on about how much money you have personally made from Action and it sounds like quite a good story. However you can’t possibly believe that everyone else in the system has or is doing as well. I would actually say that most are not but more about that later.

Anyway, just so you do understand the issues I would like to ask you how old you were when you joined Action and how old most of the people Action recruit are. I suspect you were probably under forty whereas a very large proportion of those who take an Action franchise are well into their fifties, have been downsized out of relatively comfortable jobs in major corporations and suddenly have to learn a whole new ballgame. This is a massive challenge by any stretch and involves huge changes in both  mindset and skills. The 11 days training Action provides for an exorbitant fee is nowhere near enough to do the job so these guys struggle for months while the outflow of money starts pretty well immediately.

For those who don’t survive beyond 2 years with Action, probably the majority, the loss is huge – initial license fee, training fee, monthly royalties plus all their business expenses which can be considerable if they use an external telemarketing service as many do. For someone in the U.S. the figure is probably somewhere between 150 and 200k$.  You can pay for a hell of a lot of education for that sort of money…

 Worse again, since Action is always on about being “Above or Below the Line” , anyone who does not make it is naturally “Below the Line” (you say as much in your posts) so on top of the financial loss, these people leave feeling like total failures. Since “positioning” is also a big subject in the Action world, I guess you could say that people are positioned to consider that if they don’t succeed it is entirely their own fault.

Now back to earnings. As we all know, Action classes coaches in different categories depending on their  earnings:

Less than 6000 = Bronze

Between 6000 and 12000 = Silver

Between 12000 and 25000 = Gold etc…

 I’ll stop there because so few people are concerned that there is no point in going any further. These figures represent gross earnings (including any local sales taxes) so to understand what money is left to coaches you should start by subtracting sales tax from the figures, the monthly royalty and the 5% marketing fee. After that you need to subtract operating expenses and once that is done you can already conclude that a Bronze level coach is basically making no money whatsoever.

 Using the same reasoning,  a Silver level coach is probably scraping along but I suspect he could have some difficulty saving towards retirement and paying for health insurance.

 Conclusion, until you have reached Gold level, this franchise is probably not a very good investment.

 If you have followed me up until now you can probably guess my next question. Yes, yes, yes…how many or what percentage of your team is presently Gold level or higher?  Is it 20%, is it 50%, is it 89%…?

 Answering this question will only take a few seconds so I guess you can still find the time to do it and if you do answer this question honestly then I will already have a lot more respect for what you have to say. If you don’t, then I will consider everything you have said here so far as total B.S.

   anonymous said on Apr 21, 2009….

This is also my last post ever (and actually only my second) because anyone with the patience to digest the thread would be able to draw their own conclusions and would be making an informed decision in buying the franchise. I believe this blog has done the job actions due diligence refuse to; it gives the picture from both sides and let the readers decide. It’s absolutely amazing how Neil, like so many before him from action in this blog, goes on and on about the support & the benefits and NEVER ONCE addresses the main gripe here: unprofessional selling strategies to get franchisees. They practically confirm the fact, by not responding, that the selling process of the franchise is as described by the prospective coaches and the ex-coaches here. Now let me ask you: does anyone of you, during the franchise sale, ever mention to your prospects about lead X conversion = customers and what the average numbers are in action and what sort of activities they need to do in order to make it? Simple isn’t it to avoid overselling? But you don’t. They find out after returning from training. Why is that? As you well know, the numbers will be exciting for the right candidate and depressing for the wrong candidates expecting a retail type of franchise. The franchise salespeople knew all that too, so why no disclosure? Yes there are many success stories but there are at least two to three times not-so-successful stories. (All one have to do is to take the numbers provided in your marketing materials and do the mathematics. By your figure, you should be having 3000+ coaches by now.) Why bury that? And as some else mentioned above again, why not tighten the process to increase success rate and reduce the negativity. Only reason why not is the upfront franchise sale, it’s all about the money. The employee vs. franchise argument Neil presented is still flawed and truly reflect his mindset as someone said above. As an employee, you don’t expect to get rich but you get paid for your contributions. No one is talking about the potential earnings between franchisees and employees, they are merely addressing the fact that Action think it is ok to provide a ‘framework’ for franchisees to provide the meat themselves, where franchisees actually pay for the privilege to the tune of 1.5K per month. An employee is doing work for hire, he get paid for his contribution. In Action, you pay to contribute. Neil is so one track minded like all franchise sales people in Action he simply bulldoze his view picking on points out of the original context to support his arguments, again, as someone already mentioned. Ok, I do agree that it is a very powerful model for 1000 brains to work together and I am willing to contribute my part when I was part of the system. That is teamwork, I get that. But what I cannot accept is that ideas contributed by others to the actioncoach system is repackaged and resold to the contributors. That is not ok, that crosses the line. Neil wouldn’t know. His contribution to the internal forums for the years I was there consists of cheerleading statements, like what he is contributing here. “Way to go!” “Well done” “Keep it up” “That’s awesome Brad” He added nothing substantial but he takes. Someone mentioned above: imagine if you are the one who posted a training workbook to share online with your teammates and you are actually expecting nothing in return. A few months down the line, you receive supposedly draft copies of workbooks at AUD6 each with an order form. How would the contributor feel receiving that in his mail? How would you feel Neil? Still part of the happy-pay-to-contribute family? Did you actually miss the point on the employee vs franchisee post or were you simply doing your twist hoping no one notice it? Don’t patronize the readers here. They are not stupid. Oh one last thing Neil, you are probably not aware, since you mentioned other countries are none of your business, of the checklist of support provided, not every ML provide them. Book of the month? IPod? Webinar with Brad weekly? Field support? In some areas if you bring your ML you are bringing a competitor.

   anonymous said on Apr 22, 2009….

Regarding ->”You don’t know the difference between being paid to contribute versus paying for the privilege to contribute?” + “Repackaged plagiarized material that, yes, is added to by the coaches.” t you call him a liar, no matter what?

   anonymous said on Apr 22, 2009….

“What do you think you are buying when you invest in an ActionCOACH Primary Franchise License?” Good question Neil, that is exactly what you and other MLs need to answer to the point where it is absolutely clear to your franchise prospects before they sign on the dotted line. If you have done that, coaches who don’t make the grade should have no reasons to bitch, but if you have not, then they have every right to. Gee… don’t you guys get it?? Look at your marketing materials and your franchise previews, where does it say anything even remotely resembling what you wrote here?

   anonymous said on Apr 22, 2009….

To the many posters who wanted Neil Sinclair & others before him to address the issue of false disclosure and unprofessional marketing process:

Doing so will open up Action to more lawsuits, so you can bet they will continue to ignore it while preaching their rosy numbers as their line of defence.

To Neil Sinclair who challenged the ex-coaches to declare their activity level while in Action:

They won’t respond as well since doing so will give credence to your claims and potentially identifying them thus inviting lawsuits.

Sooooo….. Does that mean we have a stalemate?

Far from it, I recall hearing this story again and again from Brad’s seminar materials regarding the lesson his dad taught him about recruiting people: You only get people you deserve.

According to this lesson, Action fully deserves having negative franchisees bitching about them because they attracted them in the first place. Unless they clean up their act and start to attract better people this will continue in one form or another. To start attracting better people it falls back to the very beginning – honesty in their selection process. Funny how, again and again, the people in action corporate office & territory owners fail to internalize the lessons they preach to others.

 – Long time reader, first time poster.

Ps: I too find Neil’s analogy of Bill Gates, Richard Branson vs. Brad Sugars amusingly twisted.

   anonymous said on Apr 23, 2009….

I worked for Bruce Doyle re his phone room re his seminars which were targeted at businesses. The whole idea was to get as many businesses to attend as possible in order to stroke Bruce’s massive ego.

I was always shocked and taken back when I knew first hand that the 99% of the coaches in Bruce’s employ did not have the ability or credentials to actually coach businesses even if they wanted to. The only factor that a coach needed to become a coach was to be able to have the money upfront.

I found the whole framework very dated and backward. I was expected to run a successful telemarketing room with staff who were never given rewards for good work. There was no functioning data base and there was no way that the data could be handled in accordance with privacy laws on in any way that was in accordance with any sort of organization.

Bruce would tell businesses that they needed to have a customer data base when he did not have one himself.

My job was to overhaul a telemarketing room and bring it up to the times but was not given the tools to be able to do it. I was promised things but they never ever eventuated.

The overall way with which a so called coaching company was run was in short a joke. There were staff on the books who were semi literate who in fact were not capable of producing any sort of quality work. Many of the coaches were also semi literate and when I pointed it out to the then ceo of the company that these people are representing a company that is supposed to at least look professional he replied, ”blokes don’t need to know how to spell”.

During my stay at Action there were many instance of sexual harassment, the ceo referred to the younger telemarketing staff as ”eye candy” and thought nothing of inappropriate touching. Female staff including myself were called, ”sweetie”, ”honey” and ”darling”. I was told that any objection to that was ridiculous. The ceo also talked about how he was a ”tactile person”. This information was brought to the attention of the owner of the company but he chose to ignore it.

I was expected to hold about 8 seminars a month with about 6 telemarketers, no real data except from what could be garnered from phone books etc. and one admin assistant. Bruce expected about 40 decent business owners to attend these seminars which started at 7am and finished at 10 am. Anything less was considered not good enough.

Many businesses realized they were not getting value for money when they signed up for coaching. I spoke to several businesses who could ill afford coaching fees, $2, 000 for nothing and they were expected to pay regardless of the lack of quality of coaching.

I have read the false resumes of some of the coaches. I read with interest that one coach puts himself down as having worked as an IT consultant when he in fact worked for Amway. I know that a lot of the claims some of the coaches are putting on their coaching resumes are false.

The sad truth I found out about Bruce Doyle’s coaching company was that he was taught by Brad Sugars and they understand one thing and one thing only, money. Ethics, professionalism and any understanding of process etc. is lost on them. The frameworks that Action use are cobbled from the 1970’s and earlier and not relevant in today’s climate but that is not relevant re the way the company is modeled.

I personally am not proud that I was part of such a company. I feel very sorry for people who have paid money to Action Coach or Action International as both coaches or as clients who are not getting what they paid for.

To this day I find it interesting that the likes of Brad Sugars profile themselves as being success stories. If my millions were dependent on the suffering and misery of many people then all I can think is that he is a morally bankrupt individual who will eventually fall.

   anonymous said on Apr 24, 2009….

To all of you out there who are interested in the debate on this blog the following sequence of e-mails makes for interesting reading.

As we have all seen this week, Neil Sinclair did at least have the courage to state his opinions here which is more than can be said for most of the people representing Action. However it was also pretty obvious that Neil has a logic of his own and it would be still nice to know how many of his team (apart from himself) are actually making any serious money?

As for Craig Hohnberger, strangely rather than get into an honest debate, he would seem to prefer that this blog went off line.  Just as strangely, Unfortunately, I didn’t get Jodie’s answer to Craig but I expect we can all expect to see more posts from SoulCastAdmin sometime soon.

 fromCraig Hohnberger <craighohnberger@actioncoach.com>

toNeil Sinclair <neilsinclair@actioncoach.com>,

Minute Man ,

Jodie Shaw <jodieshaw@actioncoach.com>

 dateWed, Apr 22, 2009 at 8:41 PM

subjectRE: Posts on Soulcast

mailed-byactioncoach.com

 Jodie-

Please provide some advice/guidance on this.  Thanks.  See original email below. 

Btw – What is the status on getting this stuff “buried”?

Craig

 From: Neil Sinclair [mailto:neilsinclair@actioncoach.com]

Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 3:38 AM

To: ‘Craig Hohnberger’; ‘Minute Man’

 Subject: RE: Posts on Soulcast 

Dear Minuteman – Thanks for your e-mail. I have recently seen the posts on this site and I am in two minds whether I even want to participate in ‘this trash’. Clearly there are some very disturbed people on these posts. Although I have a clear conscious and love this business, despite what I have said already and will continue to say….there is just no pleasing the ‘clearly disturbed’ people on this site. 

Secondly I am not sure whether I even want to reply to specific questions directed at me, when the person whom is asking these questions is an anonymous person whom is not prepared to give their name! 

Who are you and why are you using ‘Minuteman’ as your name? Let me know who you are and what interests you have in all these posts please….I will contemplate whether I even want to respond to the trash online…considering all the factors of anon posts and what people are looking for and their agendas! 

Regards…….. 

Neil Sinclair – ‘Liberator of Abundance!’

ActionCOACH Master Licensee

ActionCOACH

The World’s #1 Business Coaching Firm

Gloucester House

399 Silbury Boulevard

Milton Keynes, Bucks, MK9 2HL

UK

Main: 01908699930

Fax: 01908699931

Mobile: 07766111296

Website: http://www.actioncoach.com/neilsinclair

Email: neilsinclair@actioncoach.com

From: Craig Hohnberger [mailto:CraigHohnberger@actioncoach.com]

 Sent: 19 April 2009 20:04

To: Minute Man; neilsinclair@actioncoach.com

Subject: RE: Posts on Soulcast

I had long forgot about this.  Who are you, MinuteMan?

Craig

From: Minute Man

Sent: Sun 4/19/2009 10:18 AM

To: Craig Hohnberger; neilsinclair@actioncoach.com

Subject: Posts on Soulcast

Hi Guys.

Last year you were both very fast out of the blocks to do posts on the following blog: http://www.soulcast.com/post/show/71156/Brad-Sugars-Action-Coach

 Since then it has become a very lively forum for discussion about the Action franchise and since you had so much to say a year ago I thought maybe you would like to know that some very direct questions were put to you on some recent posts.

So, if you haven’t had a look at this blog lately, maybe it is time to have a look again. Even better, since there is an awful lot of crap (but also some very good posts) maybe you could raise the level of the debate by providing direct answers to the questions that were put to you.

Looking forward to seeing your posts.

MinuteMan

   anonymous said on Apr 24, 2009….

The “Status” comment shows that what will be the result of this. Its clear that they are working through legal means to sweep this problem under the rug and not answer the accusations directly; they can’t.

Their big complaint here is that this is an anonymous blog, and claim the moral high ground when clearly they are feverously working to shut this thing down.

 Another Action flipchart; Look in the Mirror; saying one thing and doing another; Practising andf preaching.

   anonymous said on Apr 29, 2009….

Hello Everyone,

I am about to retire and am looking for a ‘retirement business’. Actioncoach’s telemarketer has been very persistent in calling me so I decided to do a bit more research on the opportunity online and speak to some friends in my business circle. I supposed that is how everyone else stumbles upon this blog.

Let me share my experience so far and what I think about the posts here which I’ve spent almost 1/2 day digesting:

1. In my very extensive search on the internet, I find 99% positive news and only 1 blog such as this, plus 1 to 2 more forums with some discussion (unhappyfranchisees.com has another thread).

2. BUT, the biggest concern I have is that the 99% positive news can all be traced back directly to Actioncoach; in my many hours of search, I find no independent positive reviews whatsoever. This ‘flooding the net with positive news’ strategy has been used by a lot of online scammers, so while I am not saying Actioncoach is one of them, it definitely made me more cautious.

3. A lot of posters here, though there might be some who are very ‘disturbed’, clearly are former insiders. The corporation I worked with for 30+ years too have their share of negative postings online in anonymous forums and let me tell you this: as much as we hate to admit it and as much as we cannot admit it, there’s truth buried underneath the ‘crap’. So I do believe a lot of the posts here that described the inner ‘real’ culture of Actioncoach as opposed to what is being sold to the public. I believe any rational reader who has similar experience dealing with insiders revealing all will know what I am saying here.

4. One of the best sales strategies great marketing people use is to win over their strongest critiques with facts and figures. They know that when critiques turn around, they always become their best free salespeople. The fact that Actioncoach being in the niche they are in and do not see this blog as an opportunity to turn it into their biggest independent, free marketing blog tells me something: they are either not as good in marketing as they claim or worse… they have no facts to counter the claims made here. Another alarm bell for me.

5. After reading the blog for a few hours, it suddenly went ‘blank’ and I have to scroll for quite awhile before it ends with the ip trace link above. I believe this is Actioncoach’s attempt to disrupt the discussions here and the last link is a form of intimidation to scare posters about the possibility of their IPs being traced. More alarm bells.

6. There’s so many neutral posters who will seem to be willing to go to great lengths to defend Actioncoach, including a franchise attorney (in my 30+ years of corporate life, I’ve yet to meet an attorney who will waste their time online, what more defend an organization not related to them) and a MLM marketing person (who just happen to be here because he/she has friends in action who happened to be featured in Actioncoach’s testimonials) among many others; that clinches it for me.

7. I have researched Actioncoach’s archived websites as described by someone above (Very helpful, mate, didn’t know there were such thing as an internet time machine. It helped me recover an old website of my own which I forgot to backup, cheers!) And clearly the failure rate is much higher than publicised.

 So in conclusion, I am not interested to pursue the opportunity further. For what it’s worth, it’s not about the negative posts… it’s about how Actioncoach attempt to handle the negative posters here that really say something about the people running the franchise.

   anonymous said on Apr 29, 2009….

I can only agree with the poster above. If the lines of code inserted into the recent posts were designed to intimidate people and try to stop this blog, it says more about the weakness of those that are doing it than any of the the more crap contributions here.

Anyway, as a massive amount of the material here is about people’s experience with Action, mostly coaches, it’s also probably worth talking about the MLs, especially after the massive criticism Neil Sinclair received last week.

Being an Action ML means you’re in a pretty hard spot – between Action, or more accurately Brad Sugars, basically trying to milk *his* franchise for all its worth, and the franchisees who have invested a lost of money and a lot of faith in the Action system. Action HQ provides the initial training 11+3 days and a follow-up self learning course over 12 weeks called Team Success Academy with a 1-HR call each week. Other than that, pretty well all the ongoing training and support is provided by the MLs.

In the US, an ML usually provides such training and support by phone, mostly due to the great geographical distance between his office and his coaches. This means that most franchisees don’t get to see much of their MLs, as some people have already pointed out. Since the initial training covers a lot of ground very quickly, most new coaches come back from the training both confused and not really knowing much. This is why the MLs are required to provide a lost of ongoing support. But, as I already said, because of the distances involved, this does not always happen as it should. In my opinion, this is already one major reason why so many people fail to make it as a successful coach.

Another major reason I believe so many people fail is candidate selection. The MLs have not only invested a lot of their own cash in buying their territory, they also have minimum performance targets to meet in terms of monthly royalties to Action which means that they have to pay a minimum monthly royalty figure whether they have the required number of coaches on their books or not. As a result, many (most?) MLs are pushed to sign on pretty well any candidate with cash who looks like he or she might make the grade. The MLs also have to do all the cleaning up once things go bad, which seems to happen pretty often.

If you’re considering buying an Action ML territory, you should be aware that price per territory, minimum performance objectives and all other financial conditions are based on what Action thinks it can get away with. You might believe you’re getting the same conditions as everyone else in the system, but talking to your colleagues, you’ll find out sooner or later that this isn’t the case. Moreover, Action goes as far as warning the MLs already in the system that they’ll be breached if they disclose any of this type of information to ML candidates.

Another thing you find out is that all costs for franchisees (license fee, training fee, monthly royalties, annual conference, etc) in countries like Australia and New Zealand are far lower than anywhere else. For example, they charge more or less the same nominal amount, forgetting that US$1 = 1.4 Australian Dollars. These countries are always held up as examples to everyone else, but in fact they’re playing the game in a totally different ball park.

I personally think the cost structure in these countries is far more realistic and gives the franchisees a far better chance of making a success out it. I don’t understand why a franchise has such different policies from one country to another as this can totally distort any comparisons you’d try to make.

I thought this post was necessary after all the other posts to that you’ll see more clearly where the MLs are coming from. Ever heard this one: “when a fish stinks, it’s from the head down…”?

   TappedouT said on Apr 29, 2009….

Nathan Smith and Jodie Shaw – Please stop these childish, blank postings.

   anonymous said on Apr 29, 2009….

Actioncoach’s latest tactic to distrupt this blog shows real desperation and childishness and of course they won’t admit they are doing it like they won’t admit to the high percentage of failures and their manipulative sales process. What they don’t seem to understand is there’s already enough information for anyone browsing this blog to make up their minds long before they reach the empty spaces (By the way folks, a webpage loads from the top, visitors can start reading long before the page finish loading, sigh, so stupid!) So next poster, we’ll see your post after the white space 🙂 Visitors to this blog, I am sure you will agree with me if you actually read long enough to reach here, you’ve seen enough long before you reach this part and that if you were positive about actioncoach before this, just looking at their antics on this blog make you at least a bit suspicious about their professionalism. By the way, as an IT guy, I can totally agree with poster above the ip-trace like is a very stupid scare tactic….

   anonymous said on Apr 29, 2009….

Thanks blank space I got your hidden message  – very clever message, if read backwards…..

   TappedouT said on Apr 29, 2009….

Nathan Smith and Jodie Shaw –

Please stop these childish and unprofessional blank postings!

   anonymous said on Apr 29, 2009….

Don’t tell me what to do, I’m just a dummy….hint hint. Can you only read left to right…….. Please refer to me as blank space….. worked it out yet?

   TappedouT said on Apr 29, 2009….

Nathan Smith and Jodie Shaw – Please stop these childish, blank postings.

   anonymous said on Apr 29, 2009….

Very clever, “killing machine”. I’m looking forward to your “knockout punch”. In the mean time, I’m compiling a list of links to nearly all of ActionCOACH’s websites, which I intend to post here along with the meta keywords from each of those sites. Let’s see how clever you feel when this page finds its way to #1 on Google.

   anonymous said on Apr 29, 2009….

Who are you, you fool.  Whose team are you on? Blank space is on the same team???? You idiot for posting the above.  Hell, I want to kill you myself you dumb FuK.  Get organized read again and pay attention, who gives a shit about google rankings you IT freak. White space is in charge now, so pull your head in and follow the lead you johnny come lately.  You are mucking it up for the rest of us.  I’ll metatag your skull if you can’t listen.

   anonymous said on Apr 29, 2009….

Oh bless… aren’t you quite the feisty one?

Now, let’s have a shuftie at your post for a moment… as I believe I’m fairly certain that I know who you are.  Your seemingly utter lack of pedantry and nonsensical use of punctuation I believe all but seals the fact that you’re Australian.  Your hysterical attempt at embedding javascript into one of your earlier posts would have it that you either are computer savvy, or have access to those who are.  The fact that you are attempting to use the heckler’s veto (look it up) to stifle this discussion shows where your allegiances lie.

I’m fairly certain I know who you are, and I have ways of determining this as fact for all the world to see… but I cannot be bothered.

You, however, haven’t the foggiest clue who I might be.  You might believe that I am Richard Bernstein, or someone acting on his behalf.  I can assure you I am not.

You might be fixated on the possibility that I am a former employee with some long-standing grudge against Brad Sugars or his company.  Again, you would be wrong.

You might, again wrongly so, believe that I am a former franchise holder.

You might believe that I am solely responsible for the posts to this blog, and you would believe this to your own folley.  It would seem that there are quite the large number of individuals out there with a bone to pick with Mr. Sugars.  Surprised?  So was I, I must confess.

I will give credit and acknowledge that your posts, as sociopathic as they appear, are probably borne more out of fear of losing your job (and subsequently your US visa) than any personal proclivities you may have.  So for that fact and that fact alone you have my deepest sympathies.

I will say one thing in the defense of ActionCOACH.  You could quite easily substitue the name “ActionCOACH” with the name of any global franchise organization, and the name “Brad Sugars” with the name of any global franchise organization’s CEO, and have a fairly accurate representation of that organization.  The business of franchises runs rampant with fraud and deceit, one-sided agreements, litigation, lost fortunes, what have you.  ActionCOACH is not unique in this or any sense.

Simply put, to engage a franchise is a fool’s errand.  My advise to anyone considering it: don’t.

In closing, I cannot be bothered to “wait for your link in a few days”.  Frankly you have done more to demonstrate ActionCOACH’s true colors in just a few hours than an entire year’s worth of posts to this blog have accomplished.  Well done!

…but while I’m at it, I’ll just leave these right here… we wouldn’t want Google to skip over this, would we?

business coach, business coaches, business coaching, business consulting, business consultant, executive coach, executive coaching, executive coaches, action business coaching, sales coaching, business mentor,  business mentoring, coaching franchise, small business mentors, Brad Sugars, entrepreneur, business coach, coaching, life coaching, brad sugars, bradley sugars, bradley j sugars, educational speaker, motivational speaker

   anonymous said on Apr 29, 2009….

I understand that I had stated in my last missive that I would not reveal the identity of the individual responsible for abusing this page, but I realized that I should at least post some small gem, unpolished as it were, that would reveal to Mr. “White Space” that my post above had a basis in fact rather than a simple guess.

Let’s review what I had asserted above about the identity of “White Space”:

  • Australian
  • Technically Inclined (or at a minimum resourceful)
  • Affiliated in some manner with ActionCOACH

I will state, for the record, that the person responsible for the empty posts is neither Nathan Smith nor Jodie Shaw, despite what others involved in this discourse may believe.

Since you, Mr. “White Space”, seem to enjoy puzzles as evidenced by your posts above, I’ll entertain you (and all else who might be interested) in a puzzle of my own.

“The surname of the person responsible for Mr. “White Space” conjures images of the preparation of food.”

It’s not a very good puzzle, I’m afraid, but you must admit that you haven’t given me very much to work with at all, have you?

I eagerly anticipate your next reply… only be warned: despite my obvious geographic handicap I know more about you than you might realize, so you would be best served to govern yourself accordingly before you post another blank message…

…would be quite the shame if what should remain private were to become public.

                TappedouT said on Apr 29, 2009….

Jason Cooksey, ActionCOACH’s legal counsel, is not technologically savvy, but Nathan is! A compilation of three Aussies might be the answer as none of the three can hardly wipe their bottoms by themselves.

                anonymous said on Apr 30, 2009….

Just another warning for the Action folks. This blog has performed a very useful public service by presenting the other side of the coin. If you think you will get away with this sort of sabotage you are making a very big mistake. There are plenty of even more direct ways of communicating with people who need to be aware of the discussions here – among others,  those who have already fallen for the hype  and who are now regretting their mistake. If you guys really want to be on the receiving end of a class action suit, continue with your blank posts….  

                anonymous said on Apr 30, 2009….

Here’s an interesting bit of information that was surely meant to be kept private – http://franchisefacts.netii.net/the-truth-about-businesscoaching/

                anonymous said on Apr 30, 2009….

   Hello Everyone,

I am about to retire and am looking for a ‘retirement business’. Actioncoach’s telemarketer has been very persistent in calling me so I decided to do a bit more research on the opportunity online and speak to some friends in my business circle. I supposed that is how everyone else stumbles upon this blog.

Let me share my experience so far and what I think about the posts here which I’ve spent almost 1/2 day digesting:

1. In my very extensive search on the internet, I find 99% positive news and only 1 blog such as this, plus 1 to 2 more forums with some discussion (unhappyfranchisees.com has another thread).

2. BUT, the biggest concern I have is that the 99% positive news can all be traced back directly to Actioncoach; in my many hours of search, I find no independent positive reviews whatsoever. This ‘flooding the net with positive news’ strategy has been used by a lot of online scammers, so while I am not saying Actioncoach is one of them, it definitely made me more cautious.

3. A lot of posters here, though there might be some who are very ‘disturbed’, clearly are former insiders. The corporation I worked with for 30+ years too have their share of negative postings online in anonymous forums and let me tell you this: as much as we hate to admit it and as much as we cannot admit it, there’s truth buried underneath the ‘crap’. So I do believe a lot of the posts here that described the inner ‘real’ culture of Actioncoach as opposed to what is being sold to the public. I believe any rational reader who has similar experience dealing with insiders revealing all will know what I am saying here.

4. One of the best sales strategies great marketing people use is to win over their strongest critiques with facts and figures. They know that when critiques turn around, they always become their best free salespeople. The fact that Actioncoach being in the niche they are in and do not see this blog as an opportunity to turn it into their biggest independent, free marketing blog tells me something: they are either not as good in marketing as they claim or worse… they have no facts to counter the claims made here. Another alarm bell for me.

5. After reading the blog for a few hours, it suddenly went ‘blank’ and I have to scroll for quite awhile before it ends with the ip trace link above. I believe this is Actioncoach’s attempt to disrupt the discussions here and the last link is a form of intimidation to scare posters about the possibility of their IPs being traced. More alarm bells.

6. There’s so many neutral posters who will seem to be willing to go to great lengths to defend Actioncoach, including a franchise attorney (in my 30+ years of corporate life, I’ve yet to meet an attorney who will waste their time online, what more defend an organization not related to them) and a MLM marketing person (who just happen to be here because he/she has friends in action who happened to be featured in Actioncoach’s testimonials) among many others; that clinches it for me.

7. I have researched Actioncoach’s archived websites as described by someone above (Very helpful, mate, didn’t know there were such thing as an internet time machine. It helped me recover an old website of my own which I forgot to backup, cheers!) And clearly the failure rate is much higher than publicised.

So in conclusion, I am not interested to pursue the opportunity further. For what it’s worth, it’s not about the negative posts… it’s about how Actioncoach attempt to handle the negative posters here that really say something about the people running the franchise.

                anonymous said on Apr 30, 2009….

Do not click on the link above 

franchisefacts.netii

referencing “the truth about business coaching”

it takes you to a site that may run malicouis code on your computer the ISP has been alerted and is shutting down the site

beware any redirects or links posted. They are trying determine who is visting the site

trying to make this blog unreadable is just a childish rant by a twisted group of people – namely actioncoach

                anonymous said on Apr 30, 2009….

Yeah right. Please stop your childish fear tactics

                anonymous said on Apr 30, 2009….

It’s sad how many people spent their last hours on Hoover dam begging for mercy.  Extra weights needed for this one. A floater for sure.

                anonymous said on Apr 30, 2009….

You Action Morons are ridiculously desperate. Your efforts to make people stop reading the post are completely transparent. Like were stupid and think that spammers are the ones posting all this crap on the link. That’s ok, because I’ve already contacted the admin to have the blank entries and garbage removed as it is irrelevant to the subject !!!!! You think we americans are SOOOO stupid but the joke is really on you! AND, I”ve got a VERY special surprise coming online soon. The actual documents that were used for.. Former president to win his lawsuit against you !!!!!! For the WHOLE WORLD to see !!!!!!! Your Done !!!!!!!!!!!! HE might have a gag order against him, but I dont !!!!!!! ” no worries mate” !!!! the whole world will be able to finally see the proof! 

                anonymous said on Apr 30, 2009….

STOP IT YOU MORONS !!! YOUR EFFORTS TO DETER PEOPLE FROM CONTINUING TO READ THIS POST ARE COMPLETELY TRANSPARENT. I’VE ALREADY CONTACTED ADMIN TO HAVE THE SPAM AND BLANK ENTRIES REMOVED, AS THEY ARE IRRELEVANT TO THE SUBJECT. SPAM IS NOT ALLOWED. ALSO, A BIG SURPRISE FOR YOU IS COMING UP SOON… THE ACTUAL DOCUMENTS USED TO HELP A FORMER PRESIDENT OF ACTION WIN HIS LAWSUIT. YOUR IDIOTS ARE DONE, AND THE WHOLE WORLD WILL HAVE PROOF OF WHAT A SCAM ARTIST AND LIAR YOU ARE BRAD. ITS OVER. EVERYBODY KNOWS THIS IS YOU OR YOUR TEAM. I ASK EVERYONE READING THIS TO CONTACT ADMIN AS WELL AND REQUEST THE SPAM AND BLANKS BE REMOVED, AND THE ACCOUNTS THAT POST THEM BE BLOCKED. 

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