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SoulCast Blog Part 2 Jan – Apr 09

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This is part 2 of the original SoulCast blog covering the period from January to about mid April 09. With lots of  overt and covert input from people presenting the ActionCoach worldview, it started to get very busy. On March 15th there was a fishy post which looked like it was intended to intimidate unaccredited  contributors. Much more such antics were to come..:-)

 anonymous said on Jan 17, 2009…. 

Last year I went on a coaching course by The Coaching Academy (UK) primarily to learn what coaching was about and what I could gain personally from using the principles. However I wasn’t convinced that the returns were worth the investment Bronze package was £2995 as you can easily do a Life Coaching course from an accredited college for around £500. Thankfully I was unemployed and so couldn’t pony up the cash. Since then I’ve been contacted by ActionCoach via an internet job board offering me an opportunity to join them. I’ve looked at the number of coaches listed in my area and in my opinion there are way too many for it to be successful. My advice is if you’re interested in helping people, carefully research what personal/career/business coaching is about, identify the competition in your area, services they offer, rates etc to get a realistic idea of your expectations of generated income. If you still think this is the way to go then look for an accredited course from a recognised educational establishment and invest your money there. Why would you want to shell out thousands for a franchise to a middle man when you can market and promote your business on your own terms not theirs!

   anonymous said on Jan 31, 2009….

Every once and while I do a search to see what this “organization” is up to. this thread is over a year old and still going – Wow. I was an owner years ago and walked away becase of ZERO support, high fees, a hollow business model, intimidation, ethics violations, and a gap between practicing and preaching (just to get started). As for the Anonynous posting — the word needs to get out about this scam. Posters have little power now that Brad has all of our money. There are some legal ramafications of sticking one’s neck out — alone. I have personal knowledge of numerous former owners that got bilked, I’m convinced that list grows all the time. I have personal knowlegde of Mr. Bernstiens antics. Not enough to do anything on my own. The reason I look once and while is to see if there has been a class action suit started. Action is sold under false pretences, lies, deciet, and unkept promises. Somehow everyone needs to pool their information, shut Brad down, and get their money back.

   anonymous said on Feb 14, 2009….

Logic Prevails…. 1) There are too many negative comments about Sugars and Action not to be true. 2) The rebuttals are coming from current employees or ML’s that are trying to make a living at it. (Power to them) 3) Franchisees and ML’s that left had to sign very restrictive covenants to get pennies on the dollars that would effect an aggressive reaction, thus delaying class action. 4) Historically, in the US, with this many negative responses, regardless of restrictive covenants, class action will happen. 5) Mr. Sugars is keenly aware of this. He has a couple of options. Time will tell.

   anonymous said on Feb 15, 2009….

First of all I have no clue who Sugar is, although I like in my coffee. I do not know anything of Action except I wish I had more of it. From your response, you must believe everything printed in the Weekly World News and The National Enquirer. Call me stupid but I am more inclined to believe the people who put their names to their posts. Like the tabloids it is like reading “a close source said” which is a clever way of saying – we don’t know if it is true, but writing something negative or bordering on defamation is more interesting. Clark Kent PS Oh and what about the fact that once upon a time, doctors used to prescribe smoking for your health. Reading blogs might be interesting, funny sometimes – most of them are not true. Any idiot who has been online for more than a day knows that. Blogs are a person’s opinion which may or may not be based on truth. Anonymous blogs are more times than not based on revenge. My advice – find out th facts for yourself using rational judgement. Rather than heeding the words of a person who may be socially inept, spineless, friendless and who finds the only way to have a voice is to be vicious – anonymously.

   anonymous said on Feb 15, 2009….

Gee…You posted anonymously. Are you inept, spineless, friendless and vicious? He who casts the first stone…….

   anonymous said on Feb 16, 2009….

Your comment: Hi, I’m Alexis Brown. I’m commenting anonymously because I don’t want to register and login to this site in order to post. ActionCOACH Ranked #17 Home-Based Franchise by Entrepreneur Magazine: http://www.prlog.org/10149068-actioncoach-ranked-17-home-based-franchise-by-entrepreneur-magazine.html Prestigious Stevie Award to ActionCOACH for Excellence in Business Coaching: http://www.1888pressrelease.com/prestigious-stevie-award-to-actioncoach-for-excellence-in-bu-pr-76628.html 2008 My Business Awards: http://www.mybusiness.com.au/index.php?id=285 ActionCOACH Ranked as the #103 Franchise in the US by Entrepreneur Magazine: http://newsblaze.com/story/2008121818530200002.pnw/topstory.html

   Throwdown said on Feb 16, 2009….

of ActionCOACH is defending her company. Go figure.

   Throwdown said on Feb 16, 2009….

sorry, that should have said, “The Social Media Coordinator…”

   anonymous said on Feb 16, 2009….

Alexis Brown Named Social Media Coordinator at ActionCOACH Alexis Brown drives the social media aspect of the ActionCOACH business. Las Vegas, NV, October 01, 2008 –(PR.com)– Alexis Brown leads ActionCOACH’s in-house social media optimization initiative to leverage the company’s internet marketing. Brown has been diligently helping build the company’s community presence on professional and social media networks – including LinkedIn, Facebook, YouTube and MySpace – as well as website editing, developing HTML E-mail blasts and monitoring infringements of the ActionCOACH online brand. Brown also achieved the “Team Member of the Month” title in August for going beyond her job description. “Alexis has accelerated our presence on all major social media networking sites and has strengthened this initiative with great results,” ActionCOACH Director of Marketing Jodie Shaw said. “She continues to be a high performer and a great company asset.” A graduate of the University of Nevada, Las Vegas, she holds a Bachelor’s degree in journalism and media studies.

   anonymous said on Feb 16, 2009….

The good thing about this site is you can use the info provided and get the facts yourself. Yes Actioncoach has been sued a number of times and those cases are public record. Someone above has been kind enough to provide some of the names to search and case numbers. I’ve read many of the cases available online on PACER and I’ll tell you it ain’t pretty. You used to be able to view this companies current Disclosure documents on the Caleasi website but not anymore. They obviously do not want this to be public record therefore who’s to say what you are recieving from them is an actual current UFOC with truthful information. If you get your hands on the Actioncoach franchise documents I recommend calling a few of those disgruntled individuals listed that lost their Action Franchise to get the real facts why they couldn’t make a buck and then make up your own mind. Oh  and aren’t Social Media Directors just shills working for a company to post positive blogs under alias’. 

   anonymous said on Feb 16, 2009….

Alexis Brown posts under the alias (ACSMO) for Actioncoach honking everything from Brad’s books to get rich scemes.

acsmo  
on 07/15/2008 

Actually, free books make a difference in more than one way, when they’re online. You can take bits and pieces for what you need, when you need it, instead of going with the whole thing. My sister runs a retail business and I sent this post to her right away. She also got a lot of exercises that got both our brains going from free E-Books by Brad Sugars. His site makes them free if you register, but they’re also free with no registration at: http://www.actioncoach.com/free-business-ebooks.ph …
Really good stuff! They’re more for people who are already entrepreneurs and need info on customer loyalty strategies, advertising and the like.

   anonymous said on Feb 16, 2009….

His book were written by ghost writers. He didn’t actually write them.

   anonymous said on Feb 17, 2009….

Ghost writers notwitstanding, The books are plagerized and poorly written. There is nothing that BS offers as original. It’s stolen from other sources repackaged as his own. For the ‘5 ways’ just look at Jay Abraham. Plenty of the tactics are very weak and laughable.

Sure there are going to be nuggets for anyone; but understand the true nature of the books — they are marketing materials for his overpriced coaching services. Look at amazon the reviewers are all franchisees. As for the affiliation with Robert Kiosaki – I asked Mr. Kiosaki to his face about BS and he told me he sued Brad over his copying of the Cashflow boardgame in developing Leverage.

I have first hand knowlegde of what he offers, it’s a needed service for small business, what is at issue here in this thread is the business model of Action and his delivery of the service. If you want to help small businesses YOU DON’T NEED BS. You can do it on your own! Your frachise fees are for materials that you can find through other sources including the public domain. Training after the fact is absymal and they are eager to disgard poorly preformingt franchisees they just want your ongoing fees providing no support or brand recognition other than a bad name.

Anonymity. of course! BS is very litigious. he’d love to get you in court.

   anonymous said on Feb 17, 2009….

Litigeous? BS will receive what he gives and more. It’s only a matter of time.

   anonymous said on Feb 17, 2009….

we need organization

   anonymous said on Feb 17, 2009….

How would you like to do that?

   anonymous said on Feb 19, 2009….

ATTENTION BUSINESS OWNERS!!! Here is the one question you need to ask yourself if you are a business owner looking for help in your business, “Do I want a company whose primary aim is to sell franchises for the sake of one (BS in this case) or do I want someone with credentials and education that can bring me the results I am needing?” It’s that simple. Regardless of whether or not Brad Sugars is a swindler is completely beside the point in this case because if I were looking for help in my business, it would not be from someone who takes anyone with cash to start a coaching business. What education and training does the business coach have? Can any of them even describe the 13 ratios needed in financial management to understand where a business might need assistance first? Did they just buy the franchise because it was promised to them a huge income, regardless of the work you perform? Through all of this I have not seen any proven results from any business owners that have used this program other than a couple that said it was great. Well what was great about it? How did it help you? If you just needed someone to point out the obvious, give you some expensive “tools” to use, and held you accountable to make the investment payoff then get some books from the bookstore and ask your wife or husband to nag you everyday to make your business successful. But if you are looking for serious assistance in getting your business up and going and then growing, a cookie-cutter program like this is not the answer. Find an organizational development consultant that has the experience and the education to back up their claims and let them assist you in your quest. Why? Because they didn’t have to fork over 6 figures up front and then $1500/mo plus 5% of profits for the next five years working for this company. Talk about having to over-charge and over-stay your welcome in order to make a buck. Give me a break. A good place to start is by looking on the OD Network site or the OD Institute site to get some answers. These are people that are actually trained in all facets (still do you homework) and can apply performance management principles that were learned from experience and Master’s education that have actual merit. In two years I will have my Master’s in the best OD program in country and also have a certificate in Project Management and Six Sigma so that I have every tool and knowledge set available for any company in any setting. And oh by the way, I have also been a professional trainer and curriculum designer for the past five years and can apply this to any business as well. Ask any of these coaches or franchise owners what they have to back up their claims (other than tired and untrue practices from a copy cat swindler) and see if they stack up to legitimate practitioners from the sights I listed above.

   anonymous said on Feb 21, 2009….

ACTIONCOACH JUST SUCKS. THEY SUCK HARD. THEY SUCK ASS.

   anonymous said on Feb 24, 2009….

This loser Sugars is so dirty you need a bath after just looking at him. His company scams everyone including the Teamsters Local Union 542 who sued him and “WON” less than a year ago for trying to screw them over. None of these lawsuits or settlements ever make it into their Franchise Documents as required by law so their targets they sell these scams to are much easier to rip off. This Aussie crook is finally getting what is coming to him and an angry mob of people he has conned have figured out they are not alone.

   jefb3us said on Feb 24, 2009….

It just dosen’t stop….I think I will pass on the whole thing!

   anonymous said on Feb 27, 2009….

All questions about the integrity of ActionCOACH or their management aside, there’s a fundamental flaw in their business model that I think any prospective franchise owner ought to be aware of.

In addition to monthly royalties, franchise owners are required to pay a percentage of their earnings into a “marketing fund”.  This fund is used by the home office to promote the brand and bring in leads — clients for the franchise owners, and also new prospective franchise owners.

With the global economy in the state that it’s in, franchise owners are no doubt having difficulties keeping up with their royalty and marketing fund payments (assuming they haven’t closed up shop entirely).  As the marketing fund dries up, so do the leads.  Fewer leads means less business, which means fewer payments into the fund, etc.  Factor that in with the likelihood that the home office’s costs per lead are likely increasing, and you have a real problem.

Any prospective franchise owner who stumbles upon this page should ask these two tough questions before committing to purchasing a franchise:

“How much money is currently in the marketing fund?”

“How much money was in the marketing fund six months ago?”

“How many franchise owners have closed up shop in the last six months?”

“What percentage of franchise owners are currently behind on royalties?”

Assuming you are able to get a straight answer to any of these questions, I’m sure the outlook won’t be pretty.  Remember, when you purchase a franchise, the home office has a duty to continue building the brand.  The home office can’t do that if the other franchise owners aren’t paying.

   anonymous said on Feb 27, 2009….

FORMER ACTIONCOACH HUMAN RESOURCES MANAGER WENDY FENTON IS A CONVICTED FELON, WHO PLEAD GUILTY IN 2000 TO CHARGES RELATED TO A SCHEME TO DEFRAUD PHARMACEUTICAL COMPANIES.

NEWS ARTICLE AT WASHINGTONPOST.COM

WHILE AT ACTIONCOACH SHE HAD ACCESS TO CURRENT AND FORMER EMPLOYEE PERSONNEL RECORDS, AND TO SENSITIVE INFORMATION BELONGING TO FRANCHISE OWNERS.  ANYONE WHO EITHER WORKED FOR OR CONDUCTED BUSINESS WITH ACTIONCOACH IN 2008 SHOULD CHECK THEIR CREDIT REPORTS FOR FRAUDULENT ACTIVITIES.

THESE ARE THE SORT OF PEOPLE THAT BRADLEY J. SUGARS KEEPS COMPANY WITH.  ARE YOU CERTAIN THAT YOU WANT TO GIVE THIS MAN YOUR MONEY?

   anonymous said on Feb 28, 2009….

I have also been researching ActionCoach a bit and just came across this blog. Opinions on ActionCoach seem very varied so rather than add to the unverifiable mud slinging from pros and antis, I would just like to point out the following: In her post above Jodie Shaw says “On average, every single business day someone buys our franchise somewhere on the planet.” I don’t know if that includes weekends but just imagining it doesn’t, that works out at about 260 new franchisees every year. Again I don’t know how long this has been going on but just supposing it was just over the last year, that means that between 2007 and 2008 ActionCoach took on 260 new franchisees. However, when you look at the ActionCoach presentation on http://www.entrepreneur.com it says that over the same period the total number of franchisees went from 946 to 1008, ie. a net gain of 62! Just doing some simple math it looks like for 260 new people, just under 200 others left. Now that raises some interesting questions….

   anonymous said on Mar 01, 2009….

Anon… You’ve hit the mail on the head. there is a tremendous churn rate that is not reflected by the UFOC. Stats say that the chances of business success are better with a franchise than going on your own based on reporting by the franchisors. They don’t report all of the failure. It is true for all franchises, they report only what is required by law and the leave out everything that can get away with. It is especially true for Action.  They use every loophole to not classify a failed franchse as failed and not include it in the UFOC. If they by it back at pennies on the dollar that is a transaction not a failure. If a you walk away from it they don’t report it as closed. etc.etc

You don’t need BS

There needs to be more nails hammered into BS’s coffin

   anonymous said on Mar 02, 2009….

Corporate motor mouth Brad Sugars is back.

That motivational speaker that managed to loose quite a few people some serious dough, is back in town, drinking and dining in some style we hear.

After clocking up a decent luncheon bill at Montrachet in Paddington with 12 mates (over $20,000 we hear) he has been splashing his cash around various eateries on the Gold Coast and tripping the coast night club scene.

It’s understood he will be heading back stateside. In some investors view, the sooner the better.
 

   anonymous said on Mar 09, 2009….

Wonder how he is going to be when his director of finance leaves him

   anonymous said on Mar 11, 2009….

What makes you think of that?

 

   anonymous said on Mar 12, 2009….

Thank you all for your comments. I have been approached by actionCOACH in the UK and needed to get some background information on them before meeting up. I had a 1 hour phone call and it is a huge amount to shell out £40k(upfront) + £17K training (upfront) + £1.5k/ month in advance so I needed to know what sort of franchise I was getting into. I don’t believe everything that I read but the pointers included here has allowed me to research further before committing to a bank loan! Thank you!

   anonymous said on Mar 12, 2009….

Goodness – that is a lot of money. What are they suggesting you may be earning after a year (obviously no guarantees)? I have a little information then as to whether it would be realistic.

   anonymous said on Mar 12, 2009….

How much…. In the region of £1.5k to £4k/ month depending on how much networking you can do You are given 10 qualified leads when you start (from their telesales/ marketing dept) and you are expected to spend 2/ 3hrs per week with each. Further leads are based on testimonials, networking, referrals etc. as well as help from their telesales. I phoned the local Business Gateway and they provide coaching/ mentoring for free (but I couldn’t compare the services as they hadn’t heard of actionCOACH). There are 4.5m SME businesses in the UK (according to actionCOACH) so the potential is there assuming that the SMEs haven’t heard about the free government services. THe jury is out…..

   anonymous said on Mar 12, 2009….

How much…. In the region of £1.5k to £4k/ month depending on how much networking you can do You are given 10 qualified leads when you start (from their telesales/ marketing dept) and you are expected to spend 2/ 3hrs per week with each. Further leads are based on testimonials, networking, referrals etc. as well as help from their telesales. I phoned the local Business Gateway and they provide coaching/ mentoring for free (but I couldn’t compare the services as they hadn’t heard of actionCOACH). There are 4.5m SME businesses in the UK (according to actionCOACH) so the potential is there assuming that the SMEs haven’t heard about the free government services. THe jury is out…..

   anonymous said on Mar 12, 2009….

How much…. In the region of £1.5k to £4k/ month depending on how much networking you can do You are given 10 qualified leads when you start (from their telesales/ marketing dept) and you are expected to spend 2/ 3hrs per week with each. Further leads are based on testimonials, networking, referrals etc. as well as help from their telesales. I phoned the local Business Gateway and they provide coaching/ mentoring for free (but I couldn’t compare the services as they hadn’t heard of actionCOACH). There are 4.5m SME businesses in the UK (according to actionCOACH) so the potential is there assuming that the SMEs haven’t heard about the free government services. THe jury is out…..

   anonymous said on Mar 12, 2009….

How much…. In the region of £1.5k to £4k/ month depending on how much networking you can do You are given 10 qualified leads when you start (from their telesales/ marketing dept) and you are expected to spend 2/ 3hrs per week with each. Further leads are based on testimonials, networking, referrals etc. as well as help from their telesales. I phoned the local Business Gateway and they provide coaching/ mentoring for free (but I couldn’t compare the services as they hadn’t heard of actionCOACH). There are 4.5m SME businesses in the UK (according to actionCOACH) so the potential is there assuming that the SMEs haven’t heard about the free government services. THe jury is out…..

   anonymous said on Mar 12, 2009….

OK – so after 12 months, you could be turning over between 18K and 48K per year. I have an action coach, he has been a franchisee for about 15 months and accidentally sent me some of his internal information! He has half a dozen clients paying between £500 and about £1K per month each. It is entirely reasonable that the top line figure of £1.5K to £4K per month is therefore achievable. What I will say is that our action coach is very much into it all – extremely enthusiastic and has embraced the action brand 100%. I think he will be successful because of this but I strongly suspect that if you are not like him, you would very much struggle. The qualified leads thing is interesting – I know how much all coaches seem to charge – about £200 per hour roughly. The cold caller did not say this in the original call – my coach, following up the initial cold call mentioned it at the end of our call. It does in fact work out around that figure – this may put a lot of people off. I strongly suspect that you will need an ongoing supply of leads – to account for churn. If you are left to your own “networking” after the initial 10 leads, then I personally wouldn’t touch it, after all, what is the ongoing £1.5K for? Remember that you will be competing to an extent with other franchisees in your area (you don’t seem to get exclusivity) and my cynical nature suggests that it would suit Action better to have a good churn of franchises paying out the initial £57K. I personally think the actionCOACH programme is good to an extent, although I will judge our £1,000 per month company outlay after 6 months and it is in the balance at the moment (2 months in). However I wouldn’t trust Brad Sugars one millimetre after attending a seminar of his. Hope that helps!

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*   anonymous said on Mar 27, 2009….

I am a former employee of the company when it was called Action International. I happen to know for a fact that “Brad” did nothing more than “copy and paste” from other individuals such as Dale Carnige, Robert Kyosaki, and more. That’s just his lame books. As far as the franchise system, when I joined the team, there were only 5 franchise units in the Unites States. 3 of them were inactive and suing Brad. It was myself and the other 2 executives that actually put together the training material for new franchises, and attempted to add “meat” to his meatless diet of nonsense. The entire system is nothing more than hype, and if you know NOTHING about owning a business, then you can learn from his coaches, but you would learn more by reading the books he ripped off, such as ” E-myth”, “Rich Dad Poor Dad”, ” How to win friends and influence people”, ” Selling the Invisible” and more. In fact, Brad made it a point to make these books “required reading” for his franchise owners, forcing them to buy the books from the corporate office in their training kits. I also happen to know for a fact that at least ONE of his former presidents was payed almost half a million dollars to leave the system and keep his mouth shut about the antics that Brad had pulled, including hiding over 250,000 from his shareholders so he wouldnt have to pay them dividends. Do some research to see who the primary share holders were in the year 2000 and look to see what happened to them. Where are they now? Brad’s UFOC is almost completely fabricated, and if the FTC took a closer look, Brad would be in jail right now. I happen to know for a fact that there were sales made in california when the UFOC was not even registered in that state. Those franchisee’s demanded their money back, and seemingly “disappeared” from the UFOC completely. Brad Sugars is nothing more than a scam artist and a crook. I wouldnt piss on him if he was on fire. And by the way, he really DOES leave his wife and kid at home while he’s off at the strip club spending the money that other people worked so hard to steal for him ~~!!!!!!

*   anonymous said on Mar 30, 2009….

The post by “SoulCastAdmin” is fishy at best. That user has no profile or other posts. Instead check out user “soulcast”. It’s meant as a scare tactic and to stop the conversation.The terms of service are available for all to see and for the truly corrupt to distort for their own purposes. It’s called fraud. I’m sure that Brad and his henchmen fabricated this post. It has his deceptive MO all over it; smoke and mirrors. If you get involved with Action expect the same tactics.

*   anonymous said on Mar 30, 2009….

On a more interesting note ActionCOACH’s CFO’s last day was Friday, 03-27-09.

*   anonymous said on Mar 30, 2009….

Time for a class action on ACTION

*   anonymous said on Mar 31, 2009….

The user “SoulCastAdmin” is user #1823 and was created on 15-May by an ActionCOACH employee — most likely either by Jodie Shaw or Jason Cooksey.

*   anonymous said on Mar 31, 2009….

There are a lot of affirmations on this blog coming from people who present themselves as former Action employees. If this were the case they should have learnt that “The Answers are in the Questions…”

Well for those of you who are considering purchase of an Action franchise, here are a few questions you might like to ask whoever you’re talking to:

 

1) What percentage of the franchisees make it to the end of their 1st contract?

 

2) Of this percentage, how many sign on again?

 

3) What percentage of the M.L.’s team is grossing more than 12k$/month?  

 

4) What percentage is grossing less than 6k$/month?

 

5) How long has the M.L. been with Action?

 

6) Over that period how many franchisees has he/she recruited and how many are still operating?

 

7) Overall, since Action has been operating in the U.S. since the year 2000, how come so many of the franchisees have been in the system for less than 2 years?

 

If you don’t get straight answers to these questions maybe you should start asking yourself a few questions…. 

 

P.S. Guys like Pat Coan, Craig Hohnberger, Kevin Alft, Jeff Weisman, Michael Feinner, Don Schin & Lee Huffman have been around for long enough to really know the story.

 

P.P.S How much does a good executive MBA cost compared with the Action franchise + 1 to 2 years fixed monthly royalties?

*   anonymous said on Mar 31, 2009….

Good questions, and lot’s of luck getting answers. Is it possible to get straight answers is the question. Posts here show that the official UFOC has enough loopholes in it that it’s not to be trusted. And to trust who came up with it? Anyone is better off not wasting their time with Action.

 

To the P.S.

Sure these guys know what’s going on but remember they have a vested financial interest in getting you to buy a franchise. All of the intitial franchise fees goes to the ML. They are the salesmen for Franchises.

 

To The P.P.S.

Comparing an Exceutive MBA to Action is like comparing apples and oranges. The comparison should be the cost of Action vs the cost of buying the books that Brad plagerized. Action has no accreditation and is laughed at by legitimate coaching schools and programs.

*   anonymous said on Mar 31, 2009….

this is a bunch of crap if any of it were true, they’d be out of business wouldn’t have a FDD registered, wouldn’t have won tons of awards and accolades, wouldn’t have the chairman as a featured author on entrpreneur.com ,etc…

 

and anyone that knows anything about franchising knows that in the early years there is lots of turnover as the zor figures out what the heck they’re doing, action went thru that period like all do. 

 

bottom line, they have more $, more infrastructure, more experience than anyone else in their space and are so far ahead, they’ll never be caught.  The rest may not even make it out of this recession.

 

it’s probably some former ee or a competitor trying to trash them – at least they don’t resort to tactics like that

*   Anonymousguy said on Mar 31, 2009….

blah

   anonymous said on Apr 01, 2009….

“and anyone that knows anything about franchising knows that in the early years there is lots of turnover as the zor figures out what the heck they’re doing, action went thru that period like all do.” To anom 2 post above (or, maybe another Action “cybertrooper”.) : The figuring out about a franchise system, ie, a business model that works, as preached by Action itself, should be taking place BEFORE a single franchise is ever sold, that is why it’s called a franchise. What is described in your post above, if that is the perception of a Franchisor, ie, sell a non-proven system and use other people’s money to work out the kinks, is exactly the reason why Actioncoach should be banned if it is true. How can anyone justify lots of turnover in the earlier years as ok and acceptable, it is NOT, it should be done using THEIR OWN MONEY and their own outlets BEFORE they sell a single franchise, this applies to every franchise, not just Actioncoach. If anom above is really a ‘cybertroop’ for action, it sadly confirms all the posts here and it reflects how low they are willing to sink. Someone should gather all failed franchisees and start a class action suit now.

   anonymous said on Apr 01, 2009….

Looking at the third last post above, it looks yet again like someone from Action H.Q. feels the need to make an anonymous post…

Anyway an obvious reaction to all of that is simply to point to recent events with people like Bernard Madoff and Robert Stanford. Until they were exposed for what they really were, they were also “highly admired” public figures and, in spite of several investigations, even the SEC failed to find anything wrong with Madoffs operation.

While Brad Sugars doesn’t seem to have succeeded in scaling quite the same heights (but he’s still a young man!), there are some obvious similarities – massive front loading on franchise fees and absolutely no transparency around either his business structure (see extract from UFOC below) or average franchisee performance.  The Action franchise has many of the attributes of a pyramid scheme and when its FIRM model is added to the picture the parallel is even more obvious…

 Extract from UFOC

ACUI (ActionCoach United States Inc)  is a member of a controlled group of companies owned by Mr. Sugars. Action International Pty Ltd ( AIPL ) was incorporated in Australia in 1994 to develop the business, and offered franchises in Australia using the Action International marks from January 1995 until December 2006. Its address is Australia Fair Tower, Level 11, Suite 2, 32 Mains Parade, Southport, Queensland 4215, Australia. ACTIONCOACH LIMITED ( ActionCOACH Limited ) owns the ActionCOACH marks and other intellectual property relating to the ActionCOACH system, and has licensed them to MindRich S.A.R.L. ( MindRich ). ActionCOACH Limited and MindRich were incorporated in 2006 in the British Virgin Islands and Luxembourg, respectively. The principal business address of both entities is 124 Boulevard de la Petrusse, L-2330 Luxembourg. ACUI operates in the U.S.A. under license from MindRich. Other companies in the group engage in the same business activity in other regions of the world.

   Abelinc2009 said on Apr 01, 2009….

Those of you reading this blog should also have a look at the following post: http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/0/383/RipOff0383890.htm

or simply read the text below.

I am actually a franchisee of ActionCOACH and am considered within the franchise to be quite successful. However, I agree with the other report on Brad Sugars and Actioncoach by the former franchisee from Las Vegas (although he sounds a bit more bitter about his relationship with action). Brad is, in my opinion, an incredibly greedy man who is willing to say anything to anyone for the right price. It has become clear to me and many of the other coaches in Action that Brad is constantly only looking out to make more money for himself, with little concern what it might cost others. He does have an extensively bad reputation, from what I read and understand, in both Australia and the US already, that seems hard for him to shake due to the internet following him around.

But Brad aside, my main concern is that I have seen time and again Actioncoach convince people to buy this franchise who are clearly not well suited to do this. Being successful in this business takes a very unique personality, level of confidence, work ethic, and background. I just spoke to a gentleman about 2 weeks ago who bought into this franchise then was sold into the idea of buying a ‘firm’- a model that actioncoach has yet to see work profitably on anything resembling a consistent basis. He has now spent $300,000 from his retirement savings and is broke. The turn over rate for this franchise is alarming. I went to training with about 30 or 40 people and to my knowledge most of them are now gone- not one having successfully resold their franchise, most of them just run out of money.

Action also has a weird culture that seems to cause a great deal of fear of reprisal. It seems coaches are afraid of Brad, perhaps because he’s constantly talking about how many millions of dollars he has. It’s also driven into us that we must remain ‘Above the Line’, which means any time anyone comes up with anything that’s less than glowing about Actioncoach they’re quickly retorted with ‘Hey, stay above the line buddy’.

Actioncoach also collects a monthly 5% ‘marketing fund’ royalty that never seems to develop any leads for any actioncoaches. Because of the legal language written into our franchise agreements it’s very hard to make any headway when discussing this because they’ve included language that states they can basically use it how they see fit with no accountability to where it’s going. This in my opinion is a way for Action to basically steal 5% of our revenues and there’s seemingly nothing we coaches can do about it.

I will say there are many very, very good and talented people within action who are very, very good at helping business owners grow their companies. I consider myself one of them. But most who fall into this category I believe would be very successful without being part of actioncoach. I think some people are just good at being successful and it happens that they, and I, chose to join actioncoach as a vehicle to do the work we wanted to do. But since joining I’ve learned that most of the information that I thought was Brad Sugars’ ideas was actually someone else’s, Brad just decides to use them as his own. I’ve found most of what I thought was Brad’s IP by reading and listening to Brian Tracy, who I’m pretty sure did not steal anything from Brad, if he’s ever really even heard of Brad other than being paid to speak at one of his conferences.

Overall, I think actioncoach is a company that is led by a very dishonest man who, in my opinion, will never change because he’s an egomaniac. I think he created and cultivates a culture of greed by some involved with actioncoach. I think it is, though, also made up of business coaches who are mostly good, honest, hard working people who honestly want to help business owners do better. I do regret buying my franchise because of the culture brad promotes and because it is clear brad and the other leaders don’t really care about people- they care about money. That’s not attractive to me.

I write this at the risk of potential future clients reading it. Again, I want to emphasize that my remarks have nothing to do with certain coaches’ abilities to help business owners achieve their goals, but about actioncoach itself and its inner workings.

Anonymous
Las Vegas, Nevada
U.S.A.

   anonymous said on Apr 01, 2009….

Those of you reading this blog should also have a look at the following post: http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/0/383/RipOff0383890.htm

or simply read the text below.

I am actually a franchisee of ActionCOACH and am considered within the franchise to be quite successful. However, I agree with the other report on Brad Sugars and Actioncoach by the former franchisee from Las Vegas (although he sounds a bit more bitter about his relationship with action). Brad is, in my opinion, an incredibly greedy man who is willing to say anything to anyone for the right price. It has become clear to me and many of the other coaches in Action that Brad is constantly only looking out to make more money for himself, with little concern what it might cost others. He does have an extensively bad reputation, from what I read and understand, in both Australia and the US already, that seems hard for him to shake due to the internet following him around.

But Brad aside, my main concern is that I have seen time and again Actioncoach convince people to buy this franchise who are clearly not well suited to do this. Being successful in this business takes a very unique personality, level of confidence, work ethic, and background. I just spoke to a gentleman about 2 weeks ago who bought into this franchise then was sold into the idea of buying a ‘firm’- a model that actioncoach has yet to see work profitably on anything resembling a consistent basis. He has now spent $300,000 from his retirement savings and is broke. The turn over rate for this franchise is alarming. I went to training with about 30 or 40 people and to my knowledge most of them are now gone- not one having successfully resold their franchise, most of them just run out of money.

Action also has a weird culture that seems to cause a great deal of fear of reprisal. It seems coaches are afraid of Brad, perhaps because he’s constantly talking about how many millions of dollars he has. It’s also driven into us that we must remain ‘Above the Line’, which means any time anyone comes up with anything that’s less than glowing about Actioncoach they’re quickly retorted with ‘Hey, stay above the line buddy’.

Actioncoach also collects a monthly 5% ‘marketing fund’ royalty that never seems to develop any leads for any actioncoaches. Because of the legal language written into our franchise agreements it’s very hard to make any headway when discussing this because they’ve included language that states they can basically use it how they see fit with no accountability to where it’s going. This in my opinion is a way for Action to basically steal 5% of our revenues and there’s seemingly nothing we coaches can do about it.

I will say there are many very, very good and talented people within action who are very, very good at helping business owners grow their companies. I consider myself one of them. But most who fall into this category I believe would be very successful without being part of actioncoach. I think some people are just good at being successful and it happens that they, and I, chose to join actioncoach as a vehicle to do the work we wanted to do. But since joining I’ve learned that most of the information that I thought was Brad Sugars’ ideas was actually someone else’s, Brad just decides to use them as his own. I’ve found most of what I thought was Brad’s IP by reading and listening to Brian Tracy, who I’m pretty sure did not steal anything from Brad, if he’s ever really even heard of Brad other than being paid to speak at one of his conferences.

Overall, I think actioncoach is a company that is led by a very dishonest man who, in my opinion, will never change because he’s an egomaniac. I think he created and cultivates a culture of greed by some involved with actioncoach. I think it is, though, also made up of business coaches who are mostly good, honest, hard working people who honestly want to help business owners do better. I do regret buying my franchise because of the culture brad promotes and because it is clear brad and the other leaders don’t really care about people- they care about money. That’s not attractive to me.

I write this at the risk of potential future clients reading it. Again, I want to emphasize that my remarks have nothing to do with certain coaches’ abilities to help business owners achieve their goals, but about actioncoach itself and its inner workings.

Anonymous
Las Vegas, Nevada
U.S.A.

   anonymous said on Apr 01, 2009….

As a client I find this thread is very disturbing. My action coach asked me to share some thoughts,  A couple of points:

1. Franchisors do regularly go out of business and struggle in their early years, so the post above that suggested that was accurate.  My business is also a franchise and the zor may be out of business soon, especially with this recession.  My uncle owned (and failed in) a Mcdonalds franchise back in the 60’s when they were newer and blazing a trail.

2. Their systems work!  I’ve had a number of various coaches and consultants in the past with no real measurable difference until my action coach.  He is a strong guy, but claims the systems and training and support make all the difference.  btw – I’ve seen just how much support he gets and it far surpasses anything I’ve seen in the franhise world.

3. The founder does have some ego.  I’ve not met him personally, but was at a seminar he did awhile back.  In my mind, he deserves to as he has achieved an awful lot for a young guy.  That said, a friend of mone went to his bootcamp in Vegas and loved it.  Said the stuff is brilliant.

4. All the great speakers, thinkers, etc.. borrow and take information from each other and put their own unique spin on it.  He’s no different.  If he were copying it, he’d no doubt be sued for IP infringment by now.

5. It’s obvioulsy a bitter  disugruntled jealous soul who is behind all of this trash on this site.  My coach even told me there isn’t a coach who is considered quite successful in the Vegas area so the post above this from Abelinc2009 is just another lie.

6. for giggles I looke up the politicians I voted for, the celebrities I really like, the business people I admire (Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, etc..) as well as some of the former large companies I worked for (Fortune 200) and all have anonymous trash talkers out there.  Too bad Americans who can’t be successful think the only way to feel better about themselves is to try to tear down others.  funny thing is it won’t work.

I’ve met almost 7-8 coaches now and several dozen other clients and it’s a great company with a great culture, great people overall and a really good system – there stuff actually works!

So, don’t believe all the BS above.  That’s all it is.

Adios.

   anonymous said on Apr 01, 2009….

As a client I find this thread is very disturbing. My action coach asked me to share some thoughts,  A couple of points:

1. Franchisors do regularly go out of business and struggle in their early years, so the post above that suggested that was accurate.  My business is also a franchise and the zor may be out of business soon, especially with this recession.  My uncle owned (and failed in) a Mcdonalds franchise back in the 60’s when they were newer and blazing a trail.

2. Their systems work!  I’ve had a number of various coaches and consultants in the past with no real measurable difference until my action coach.  He is a strong guy, but claims the systems and training and support make all the difference.  btw – I’ve seen just how much support he gets and it far surpasses anything I’ve seen in the franhise world.

3. The founder does have some ego.  I’ve not met him personally, but was at a seminar he did awhile back.  In my mind, he deserves to as he has achieved an awful lot for a young guy.  That said, a friend of mone went to his bootcamp in Vegas and loved it.  Said the stuff is brilliant.

4. All the great speakers, thinkers, etc.. borrow and take information from each other and put their own unique spin on it.  He’s no different.  If he were copying it, he’d no doubt be sued for IP infringment by now.

5. It’s obvioulsy a bitter  disugruntled jealous soul who is behind all of this trash on this site.  My coach even told me there isn’t a coach who is considered quite successful in the Vegas area so the post above this from Abelinc2009 is just another lie.

6. for giggles I looke up the politicians I voted for, the celebrities I really like, the business people I admire (Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, etc..) as well as some of the former large companies I worked for (Fortune 200) and all have anonymous trash talkers out there.  Too bad Americans who can’t be successful think the only way to feel better about themselves is to try to tear down others.  funny thing is it won’t work.

I’ve met almost 7-8 coaches now and several dozen other clients and it’s a great company with a great culture, great people overall and a really good system – there stuff actually works!

So, don’t believe all the BS above.  That’s all it is.

Adios.

   anonymous said on Apr 01, 2009….

As a client I find this thread is very disturbing. My action coach asked me to share some thoughts,  A couple of points:

1. Franchisors do regularly go out of business and struggle in their early years, so the post above that suggested that was accurate.  My business is also a franchise and the zor may be out of business soon, especially with this recession.  My uncle owned (and failed in) a Mcdonalds franchise back in the 60’s when they were newer and blazing a trail.

2. Their systems work!  I’ve had a number of various coaches and consultants in the past with no real measurable difference until my action coach.  He is a strong guy, but claims the systems and training and support make all the difference.  btw – I’ve seen just how much support he gets and it far surpasses anything I’ve seen in the franhise world.

3. The founder does have some ego.  I’ve not met him personally, but was at a seminar he did awhile back.  In my mind, he deserves to as he has achieved an awful lot for a young guy.  That said, a friend of mone went to his bootcamp in Vegas and loved it.  Said the stuff is brilliant.

4. All the great speakers, thinkers, etc.. borrow and take information from each other and put their own unique spin on it.  He’s no different.  If he were copying it, he’d no doubt be sued for IP infringment by now.

5. It’s obvioulsy a bitter  disugruntled jealous soul who is behind all of this trash on this site.  My coach even told me there isn’t a coach who is considered quite successful in the Vegas area so the post above this from Abelinc2009 is just another lie.

6. for giggles I looke up the politicians I voted for, the celebrities I really like, the business people I admire (Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, etc..) as well as some of the former large companies I worked for (Fortune 200) and all have anonymous trash talkers out there.  Too bad Americans who can’t be successful think the only way to feel better about themselves is to try to tear down others.  funny thing is it won’t work.

I’ve met almost 7-8 coaches now and several dozen other clients and it’s a great company with a great culture, great people overall and a really good system – there stuff actually works!

So, don’t believe all the BS above.  That’s all it is.

Adios.

   anonymous said on Apr 01, 2009….

As a client I find this thread is very disturbing. My action coach asked me to share some thoughts,  A couple of points:

1. Franchisors do regularly go out of business and struggle in their early years, so the post above that suggested that was accurate.  My business is also a franchise and the zor may be out of business soon, especially with this recession.  My uncle owned (and failed in) a Mcdonalds franchise back in the 60’s when they were newer and blazing a trail.

2. Their systems work!  I’ve had a number of various coaches and consultants in the past with no real measurable difference until my action coach.  He is a strong guy, but claims the systems and training and support make all the difference.  btw – I’ve seen just how much support he gets and it far surpasses anything I’ve seen in the franhise world.

3. The founder does have some ego.  I’ve not met him personally, but was at a seminar he did awhile back.  In my mind, he deserves to as he has achieved an awful lot for a young guy.  That said, a friend of mone went to his bootcamp in Vegas and loved it.  Said the stuff is brilliant.

4. All the great speakers, thinkers, etc.. borrow and take information from each other and put their own unique spin on it.  He’s no different.  If he were copying it, he’d no doubt be sued for IP infringment by now.

5. It’s obvioulsy a bitter  disugruntled jealous soul who is behind all of this trash on this site.  My coach even told me there isn’t a coach who is considered quite successful in the Vegas area so the post above this from Abelinc2009 is just another lie.

6. for giggles I looke up the politicians I voted for, the celebrities I really like, the business people I admire (Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, etc..) as well as some of the former large companies I worked for (Fortune 200) and all have anonymous trash talkers out there.  Too bad Americans who can’t be successful think the only way to feel better about themselves is to try to tear down others.  funny thing is it won’t work.

I’ve met almost 7-8 coaches now and several dozen other clients and it’s a great company with a great culture, great people overall and a really good system – there stuff actually works!

So, don’t believe all the BS above.  That’s all it is.

Adios.

   anonymous said on Apr 01, 2009….

I love the company and everything about them.  They’ve done so much good for the world and I even put my brother in law from Indonesia onto them and he is now a coach.  He loves it and is saving many people’s businesses.

   anonymous said on Apr 01, 2009….

As a franchise attorney, I was doing some research on the company for a client who is looking at this franchise and my client wanted my honest opinion of this site and other research I could dig up, and I thought I might as well add a few comments here for anyone who may be looking.

I personally find the owner to be a bit egocentric, however, as some of the posts above suggest, maybe he deserves to be.  I do know that there are many an attorney who are more egocentric than he is.  And, most if not all of the big-name success experts (Tony Robbins and the like) are as well. 

I find the FDD and legal history to actually be rather clean for a franchise like  this.   I did the research (that is what I am paid to do) and can’t find anything that is not documented as it should be.  

The business model appears to be quite sound and I even have some attorney friends in another state who actually received CPE credits for participation in a program they did and they were extremely impressed.

The Canadian situation is dis-heartening as it appears the former ML’s from Canada started a competing business by selling off the future royalty stream to fund that business start-up and got away with not violating their non-competes by starting in the U.S., not Canada.  Smart and shrewd on their end, but very unethical to say the least.  If I were representing a Canadian franchise owner, I would suggest starting a class-action against their former ML’s.

The accusations of alleged stealing of other people’s information is as some of the posters suggest, not an issue.  I’ve reviewed the material thoroughly and yest there is overlap, but it is packaged in his own way with his own unique stuff as well.  No different than, again as mentioned by some posters, any of the other great success experts who borrow from each other all the time. 

The interesting thing about this system is it actually works.  I researched the other coaching organizations and most if not all have little to no infrastructure; many were started by an author who is now trying to build a franchise around it  whereas Sugars started as a coach then franchised, and only then became an author.  Several current coaching systems are re-started from the ashes of former organizations that already failed.  Chances are they will fail too.

It is true that many new franchise systems struggle in the early years and many go out of business.  The poster who suggests that before the first unit is sold it should be perfected is living in a dream world.  Franchise systems first perfect a unit then they have to perfect the duplicatability of that unit (which means trailing it on thier first franchise owners) and then perfect the recruitment, training and support to be able to support the growth of many many more units over time.  That is a tough process and many who have a good business to start with really don’t have something that can be duplicated, especially in a service-based organization like this one.  In fact, in a service-based (non-commodity) type business like this one, I would venture to guess it takes hundreds of franchise owners to start getting some true duplicatability.  To think that Sugars has buit something that has proven to be able to do that is quite remarkable actually. 

The agreements seem to be fairly boilerplate and the support adn training offered is quite a bit more robust than I have seen in other franchise systems. Probably because they’ve learned over the years what it really takes and they obviously have some deep pockets to fund it and the infrastructure to deliver it.

I sum, I find it to be a good system and am raising no big red flags in regards to his pending purchase.  I have also advised him that, as in any franchise system, the system cannot guarantee success, it is his own business and he has to use and follwo the prescribed process and work hard.  Especially in a service based business like this one.

Good luck to all who are considering this business. 

BTW – don’t let people like the few who are trying to spread hatred like above scare you away.  Actual due diligence with clients and franchise owners (and former franchise owners) will give you real information and a real sense of the culture which seems very unique in this case.  As you do your due diligence determine in your own mind who you are most like, those that have succeeded or those who have failed.  If you are most like those who have succeeded, then go ahead and continue with the investment.  In my experience, in all successful franchise systems, those that fail either would have failed in any business or just didn’t follow their systems.  In newer franchise systems many more will fail early on that would not otherwise have failed later.

   anonymous said on Apr 01, 2009….

If this were not intrinsically serious it would be frankly hilarious….I can understand why some people with griefs against Action and Brad Sugars in particular might spend time on this blog but the last three anonymous posts coming from people who spontaneously rise to their defense , all in less than one hour, is just too much….
Hey ActionCoach, we all know there are some really good people within the organisation but that’s not the point. The point is that you are selling a franchise with very little serious content for a load  of money and at the end of the road there are far more failures and broken lives than successes. If this is not the truth, rather than publishing ridiculous posts like the last three why not simply publish some figures which answer the questions raised in one of the above posts:

1) What percentage of the franchisees make it to the end of their 1st contract?
 
2) Of this percentage, how many sign on again?
 
3) What percentage of the M.L.’s team is grossing more than 12k$/month? 
 
4) What percentage is grossing less than 6k$/month?
 
5) How long has the M.L. been with Action?
 
6) Over that period how many franchisees has he/she recruited and how many are still operating?
 
7) Overall, since Action has been operating in the U.S. since the year 2000, how come so many of the franchisees have been in the system for less than 2 years?

   anonymous said on Apr 01, 2009….

Anyone considering a class action against ActionCOACH should know that ActionCOACH general council Jason Cooksey is not admitted to the Nevada State Bar Association.  The argument could be made that “privileged” communications between Mr. Cooksey and ActionCOACH executives, employees, and franchise owners might not be privileged afterall.  That could make for an exciting discovery process.

Isn’t THAT interesting?

But you’re dumb if you trust an anonymous post on the Internet.  Go ask your attorney what he/she thinks!

   anonymous said on Apr 01, 2009….

I was lucky and got out early. DO NOT become associated with this company. People of integrity expect to be believed and when they are not, they let time prove them right. Time has proved that this company has no integrity.

   anonymous said on Apr 01, 2009….

This company is such a joke. The post above from the “Attorney” is under anonymous which you would have to be brain dead to fall for that BS because no legitimate attorney would recommend a franchise to somebody that has been sued numerous times for fraud, slander, racketeering, sexual harrassment and failing to pay debts. The State of California even issued an order preventing Action to sell franchises in the State for several years. Brad Sugars hires convicted felon’s because what better way to rip you off than to hire a career criminal to do his dirty work. Many of these issues don’t even make it into their UFOC which they are required to disclose. This would entitle anyone who purchased a franchise under false pretenses to get their money back. Brad Sugars is a liar and a theif. He is the scum of the earth and the fact that he is living it up with private planes, fancy cars and several mansions around the world after stealing from hard working honest individuals is horrible. He is one CEO that should be outed. I suggest all comments be forwarded to 60 minutes, 20/20 or other news networks to get the word out about Brad Sugars just another cruel, greedy, arrogant CEO out to take advantage of innocent victims and destroy our economy further. I’d like to hear from Brad Sugars himself maybe he can answer some of the blogs above rather than getting his employees to answer anonymously posing as attorney’s or clients.  I guess we’ll all have to wait until he’s chased down probably at one of those strip joints by a camera before he’s confronted to answer for all the heartache he’s caused.

   anonymous said on Apr 01, 2009….

I just can’t believe the fools trying to save face here. There are some excellent people in Action Coach that is not disputed. The people make the difference in thier clients businesses NOT THE SYSTEM (or lack of a system). Action administration has no contact with the clients. If the current franchises lost Brad and ActionCoach they would still be good coaches.

Trying to defend posing as a soulcast administrator? Explain how fraud is an Action tactic Mr. Lawyer.

   anonymous said on Apr 01, 2009….

There is a tremendous amount of information on this page.  Some of it valid, some of it BS.  If you want to know what ActionCOACH is really like from the point of view of a franchise owner, there’s no better way to find out than to ask a coach.  Here are a couple of referrals to start with:

Dominick F. Mills, Esq. of Palmdale, CA
Patrice Lynn of Spokane, WA

You can find their contact information through Google.  I’m sure both of them would be happy to speak to any prospective franchise owner about their experiences with ActionCOACH.

   anonymous said on Apr 01, 2009….

I’m sure there are great people working in the AC company.  But, like AIG it’s the nutjobs at the top that screw things up.

   anonymous said on Apr 01, 2009….

Former Employee here again. I just HAD to respond. Of all the posts on here defending the system, there are 2 I find the most amusing. First, the Jackass that used the word “accolades”, and the supposed ” attorney” posting. First, to the Jackass. To start, “accolades” is a word that is RARELY used here in America, if ever, which suggests that you are most likely from Australia, or some region close to that. Which ALSO suggest that you are either an employee, or a franchisee somewhere across the globe defending Brad because he’s one of your buddies. If not, then why dont you buy your own Master Territory? For a mere high 6 figure investment you get a box of air and 100 dollars worth of books that Brad already plagerized. 2nd, To suggest that most franchises have a large number of failures when they get started is not only ignorant, its insulting. The very point of buying a franchise is to buy into a PROVEN system. Not to be a beta test for franchisees to come. And Last, as far as the “accolades” or “awards” as we call them here in the states, Entrepreneur magazine does ZERO research into the success rate of the franchises it represents in it magazine. It merely speaks to the number of franchise units sold within a certain time period. Contrary to the success of the franchisees. They dont investigate the system or training or ANYTHING of actual use to a potential investor. They simply tell you which franchise systems are popular at the time. In fact, they should rename the section ” Current popular franchises”.. Now for the “attorney”.. at the time of your posting its in the middle of the afternoon on a Wednesday afternoon. Which suggest that an attorney has nothing better to do in the middle of the day than to hop online and write a sparkling review of a franchise that one of your “clients” asked you to review. And by the way, why did you post anonymously? If you put your name in there you might get another prospective franchisee to hire you to review the UFOC. That wasnt a smart business move if you ask me. Speaking of which, you claim that you “researched” the company and found the BUSINESS MODEL to be solid. You also state that you “reviewed the material thoroughly” and found no over lap ( that’s a joke )… First of all, A franchise attorney receives ONLY the UFOC and the Franchise Agreement to review. They do NOT provide you with the training materials or any other proprietary information to take to your attorney before you buy. That would be stupid. Then what would be the point of selling you the franchise? You already have everything you need to start your own business BEFORE signing the agreement. You sir, are a liar. Let just ONE person state that their potential franchisor provided them training materials to take to their attorney to review and I will humbly and regrettably withdraw that statement. You did NOT review the material. By the way, in your research, how many franchisees did you speak with? How many FORMER franchisees did you speak with? If you even called ONE then you did TWICE as much work as a normal attorney would do. An attorney’s job is simply to review the legal issues regarding the franchise. Not to do the research. That’s on the potential franchisee to do on their own. It must have taken you about 30 minutes to write this, so according to my math, that’s about 200-300 dollars that could be billed to an actual client that you were working for instead of wasting your time on the internet !!!!! You should feel a great deal of shame, however, as you stated, you are an “attorney” and most of them dont have a soul anyway!!!! This franchise is a scam. I challenge anyone to find even ONE of the original shareholders that is still with the company. Why? Because they were paid off and got out of the system. If you buy this franchise, your an idiot. Excluding of course Mr. “accolades”… as he clearly is an intelligent person who loves the system and has never even once read a single book on business development. This is almost funny, except its not. Peoples lives are at stake. Life savings are at stake. College funds for your children are at stake. This is not a joke, and I’m not just posting this because I hate Brad. I’m trying to prevent even ONE person from buying into the garbage that this company sells.

   anonymous said on Apr 02, 2009….

The “Franchise Attorney” post above is absolutely brilliant. It has just made my day.  I have rarely seen anything funnier except that once again it shows how much contempt Action seems to have for people’s intelligence.

Apart from that fact that it takes a fair leap in faith to imagine any attorney taking the time off in the middle of the day to provide a glowing review of a franchise he has been researching for a client this attorney has also had the opportunity to discover that Brad Sugars (the owner)  seems a “bit egocentric”…Great stuff!

Also, given that Attorneys are paid to be very cautious, any attorney looking at the content of this site would have  alarm bells ringing all over the place and would never take the risk of actually recommending Action to a client.

As it happens, having had some personal experience with Action, what they tell you is that since attorneys are litigation adverse and afraid that you will attack them if something goes wrong, they will always find fault with the Action proposition, contract etc. Since that it is case, they will advise you there is no point in wasting your money going to see one….

Anyway, the pathetic rubbish in that post should further convince those who still have doubts just what a load of crap Action is..   

   anonymous said on Apr 02, 2009….

Both Dominick Mills and Patrice Lynn were indeed listed as Coachs with Action (see contact details below) but when you try to access their websites you are now respectively redirected to Kevin Alft (one of the M.L.’s for California) or Rafael Maymi (M.L. for Washington State & Oregon). No doubt these two guys, who were still listed very recently, are just the latest in the long list of casualities who the defenders of Action would have us believe are an inevitable part of life in a “new” franchise system. After all, Action has only been operating as a franchise since 1997…   

Dominick F Mills, Esq. 661-947-9768 Los Angeles Visit Website

Patrice Lynn 509-242-8798 Spokane, WA

Visit Website

   anonymous said on Apr 02, 2009….

Former Coach I’m posting anonymously, too, only because I’d prefer to avoid any potential contact from “Brad Sugars Action International.” First, the post above beginning with “Former Employee here again.,” is 100% true. He was an executive in the North American “office” in Las Vegas. I emphasized “office” because their office suite was better suited for a plumbing company than a professional outfit. It was located in an industrial (read: cheap) area surrounded by trucking companies and junk yards. In fact, a prospect of mine who had flown to Las Vegas from Arizona to meet with me in person before signing a coaching contract showed up in a limousine and was so shocked by the pathetic quality of the office space our meeting started on the downside of a steep hill. Anyway, “Former Employee” introduced me to the franchise and I became their first corporate coach. I did not buy the franchise but I attended their training in Las Vegas and worked out of their office. They wanted someone to build a client base to give their business credibility. The benefit to me was avoiding their steep upfront franchise fee and I didn’t have to pay royalties. I also expected to benefit from their brand recognition – a “benefit” that I would later regret. They benefited from having a “test rat” to 1) Try their supposedly effective and proven client-getting system, and 2) I agreed to report to them what was working and what wasn’t and share my own new ideas and business strategies that I developed while working with clients. In fact, I was in the same “coach training” as Craig Hohnberger. Let me be clear about this: Brad Sugars spent more time cutting and pasting together plagiarized materials from reputable people who actually committed their lives to self improvement and/or business development, such as Napoleon Hill, Dale Carnegie and others mentioned above. He is charismatic but after the sale, there is NOTHING, not for the franchisees who pony up their life savings, and NO MEAT for the clients who pony up coaching fees of $1,000 minimum per month. Craig H. did build a successful master territory, but it was his own dedication and hard work that made / makes him successful IN SPITE of the garbage that the franchise sold as its franchise materials. I got to know him during two weeks of training and believe that he is a genuine person who very much loves his family and cares very much about the success of those within his franchise. I know that my go-to guy failed miserably trying to establish a client base. Another Las Vegas coach failed while I was there. I know of numerous coaches throughout the U.S. and Canada that failed during my time there. My experience, in a nutshell was like this: I would attempt to sell using their silly, unprofessional tactics and fail. Then, while management wasn’t looking I’d sell professionally and get clients. Then came the real test. When I would leave a weekly meeting with a client and come back to the office with a problem that I needed help with, I would present the problem to my go-to guy and/or management. You won’t believe what their answer would be. Now get ready to be amazed and astounded at the one-and-only answer I ever received as “support”. Are you sitting down? Here’s the answer to all problems, whether the client had a management problem I needed guidance on or whether they needed a creative solution to business finance: “BE THE COACH!” That’s it! That’s the “support” given to me as a coach, and not just any coach; I was ran their Flagship operation! Like Craig H. I also built a successful coaching practice and 100% of the businesses I worked with made a LOT more money. But it had nothing to do with the amateurish, cookie cutter solutions that plagued every single document and booklet provided by the franchise. The success of my franchise and the success of my clients had everything to do with my hard work, the hard work of my clients, and a lot of help from business experts who’s books I used from the LIBRARY! Thank goodness I had a solid degree in business to build upon. Some unfortunate hopeful franchisees had no business experience whatsoever, and they were unfortunately persuaded by the charismatic Mr. Sugars and the franchise sales team that they didn’t need any business foundation at all; that the franchise would provide everything necessary for them to operate successfully. How disgusting. It didn’t take long to realize that the business systems that Brad claimed propriety over were ALL plagiarized. The training materials were 100% thrown together in copy-and-paste fashion. A high school student would have been ashamed to turn in such garbage. I also noticed that someone wrote above that Brad’s dad knew he would be a businessman when he sold, then rented his Christmas toys. What a great story. But it might be BULL. The story we got is that he took a newspaper delivery route, then talked his “mates” into doing the deliveries for him and he paid them less than he charged, thereby creating a profit. So there’s my input. But the smart thing to do is to conduct your due dilligence with an attorney and accountant. Don’t cut corners. You may decide that this is the right opportunity for you; although before doing so, I sincerely caution you to take into consideration the massive number of posts here. Differentiating between the legitimate ones and the “plants” isn’t all that hard, especially when those idiots attempt to insult the intelligence of you and me by including ALL the franchises keywords and such stupid, obvious mistakes. Speaking of stupid. The “attorney” above… WHAT A JOKE! You idiot! “Former Employee” said it well enough, but you are so completely stupid for trying to pass yourself off as an attorney. For one, as part of their extensive education, attorneys MUST master the highest level of grammar. Your grammar is of similar pathetic quality as the garbage employed by Sugars and Company. I hope you feel as insulted and as stupid as you have attempted to insult the people on this site. That’s it from me. Buyer Beware!

   anonymous said on Apr 03, 2009….

I would not normally waste my time on such a post, however I was directed to this rubbish through a friend of mine.

We are all somewhat upset to what happened to one of our “kind”, and for those of you that are thinking of ever being involved with this company – actioncoach – i ask you to read this post.

This hurt a good friend of mine, and for that – well – come to my house, mr sugars – and meet my dobermans…..I have 3 red males, all with testicles.

http://www.dobermantalk.com/general-off-topic-chat/23315-please-help-any-civil-lawyers-out-there-bit-long-thread-but-urgent.html

   anonymous said on Apr 03, 2009….

If you have questions about Brad Sugars or ActionCOACH, why not ask him yourself?

Brad Sugars
3306 Red Arrow Dr.
Las Vegas, NV 89135
(702) 556-7508
Bradsugars@aol.com

   anonymous said on Apr 03, 2009….

What is the intent of posting this address on here? Are you a friend or a neighbor who visits him here?

   anonymous said on Apr 03, 2009….

Isn’t that address among multi-million dollar homes in Summerlin? 

   anonymous said on Apr 03, 2009….

That is a truly beautiful area and it is certainly among multi-million dollar homes. I wonder if any of those who know him personally could vouch for him. If you’ve been to his home and had a chance to meet his neighbors… personal experience to see what they think of him. Neighbors would know him as good as anyone I think… 

   anonymous said on Apr 03, 2009….

I for one do not think most neighbors know each other, especially here in the Las Vegas valley.

Also, shouldn’t he live in a nice neighborhood?

   anonymous said on Apr 03, 2009….

3 red male dobermans – Is that you, Lora?

   anonymous said on Apr 05, 2009….

Another former coach back when it was Action International. Anonymous for obvious reasons. Whether readers want to believe the rubbish posted by Brad Sugars cronies, ie, “SoulcastAdmin”, “My coach ask me to post”, “Franchise Attorney” or to believe a bunch of anonymous postings, up to you but here is what I can say. Brad Sugars not only hack other authors’ work in his books, he also hack all his coaches’ contributions and claimed it as his own innovation. There are a lot of great people in Action who believe in the culture preached and share all their knowledge on Action’s innovation forum. Brad took the best, repackage and then attempted to sell back to the coaches community without even acknowledging the source, which is there for all to see. For example, a coach shared his version of seminar handouts online with the community, couple of months later, coaches received in their mail a ‘draft’ copy of same seminar materials ‘actionized’ with an order form at exhorbitant prices! Another prominent coach with his team took what was just one slide and added on to it until it became almost the de-facto coaching process, the team get no recognition except from the coaches community and Brad Sugars claimed ownership of everything. In a nutshell, to Brad Sugars and his bunch of corporate crooks the coaches community are just a captive customer base for them to practise their “Number of Transaction” and “Average Dollar Sale” strategies on and he will milk, push, demand, threatened in the name of growth and progress. No doubt as most anonymous posters who claimed to be ex staff or coach said, there are great, passionate coaches in Action who believed in and practise the culture preached, the ones who don’t practise are the preachers, head preacher being BS himself. And in fact it is very true that Brad Sugars used coaches to beef up the system(in the name of teamwork and abundance) and sold licences to anyone with the money without qualifying(which explains the dropout rates) and early licensees are treated as guinea pigs while being led to think they were being sold a complete system. To see “Attorney” justifying that is normal and proper is absolutely disgusting! As to success rate, within the first 2 years, I was the only one who remained from my training batch of almost 20. So buyers beware as someone said above, you are buying into grief and hypocrisy of the highest order.

   anonymous said on Apr 05, 2009….

Former Employee here again. By the way, when Brad came to the states intially, it was intended to be a “seminar company” but Claude X ( Name deleted for protection ), A great man, and former investor, talked him into creating a coaching company, as a fly by night seminar company would not work here. The “coaching” concept wasnt even Brads idea. Talk about stealing Credit !
I will rejoice in the day that Brad is cell mates with Bubba the 7 foot sodomizer.

   anonymous said on Apr 07, 2009….

To ‘former employee’ of immediate last post, I am former coach who posted above you. Even though Brad Sugars & Action International is as described by a lot of posts here of former employees and coaches(including my own which you can see was not a positive post about Action), I believe credit is still due where it is due: Action International has been a coaching company since day 1 years before relocating its HQ in US. Claude X, whoever it might be, did not talk Brad Sugars into setting up a coaching company in US because it takes a lot more than just changing terms from seminars to coaching, so to say Brad Sugars got the idea of a coaching company in US from his investors is untrue and will hurt the credibility of whatever else you have posted and give credibility to Brad Sugars cybertroops to claim you an just a disgruntled ex-employee out to get them.

   Anonymousguy said on Apr 07, 2009….

Former employee here… Brad was a “seminar guru” in Australia. YOU didnt see the materials they had, and YOU didnt work in the corporate office everyday. But thanks for sharing your opinion. The “coaching” aspect has been evolving since inception in the US for those exact reasons. If you had seen the materials, you would know for fact that what I’m saying is true. It had to be “americanized” to work, as the simplistic nature of the initial materials looked as if it had been written as a term paper in a business 101 class. A poorly written term paper at that. By the way, with even one ounce of intelligence, Brad knows who I am.. as there cant be that many employees there from the beginning to help re-write the materials. 

   anonymous said on Apr 07, 2009….

Hi Anonymousguy, former coach again. As I was with Action International before they became Actioncoach, in the early days, in Australia, of course I have seen the materials and even use it. That was why I could share exactly how Brad hacked from the best from the coaches’ community in the intranet. And I can share the dropout rate is so high because you are given a bunch of books of other authors, you are given simplistic materials which is 3rd rate at best and you are given the impression it’s a complete working system during the sales process. The only plus at that time was we were sold licenses and not franchises so even though there were no escape clauses, we could get out of the contract easily and we were the lucky ones. So the point is, BS might have made his name, positive or otherwise as a Seminar Guru but the business of Action has always been coaching, material sucks or not is besides the point. And your post is inconsistent, earlier you said Brad got the coaching concept from Claude X, subsequently you said materials suck and doesn’t work for US market and you’re heavily involved in rewriting… so is it about Brad stealing the coaching term or is it about Brad not acknowledging your contribution in making the materials presentable that you are so worked up over? It is interesting because you seem much more bitter than coaches who invested their life savings into an action license and didn’t make it, perhaps that is why Brad never bother to come after you even if he know who you are? Because if even ex-coaches who themselves are bitter with Brad feel inclined to defend him against your extreme claims, why should he feel the need to get involved? Sorry, bob, never thought I would see the day I am actually ‘defending’ Brad instead of banging him, but there you go… get a life, mate!

   anonymous said on Apr 08, 2009….

Former Coach,

I’m the Former Coach from the “headquarders” in Las Vegas, USA. My post begins “Former Coach I’m posting anonymously, too, only because I’d prefer…”

I emphasize “headquarters” because for years they ran their scam out of the cheapest office space in an industrial area. Search the address of the office out of which they taught success and you’ll see it’s in an old industrial area. Go to maps.google.com and type in 5670 Wynn Rd, Las Vegas, NV and you’ll see for yourself. The businesses that came up for this address include:

Action International‎ Place closed

biopet

Buy Design Inc

Crawford Door Sales-Nevada

Framing Brokers

GC Electric Inc

Kalb Construction

Miller Neill

New Air

Premier Electric‎ Unverified listing

Sahara Landscaping Inc

Snap-Loc‎ Unverified listing
I’m sure the Actionites will point out the office has moved, which doesn’t change the fact that the World’s Number 1 Business Coaching Firm operated out of an office suited for a bugspray company. Anyway…

Former Employee is absolutely correct. What he pointed out is Brad Sugars wanted to do a seminar circuit in the US, starting in California, which Claude was trying to do. But all their attempts to get people to show up failed miserably. As Former Employee pointed out, the U.S. is an entirely different market and if you expect the savvy business people in the U.S. to listen, you had better show some sophistication and bring more than a few arrogant slogans and unverifiable claims with you. So BS’s first attempts to milk the U.S. market failed. Claude had invested his own time and money and fought to turn it into something with substance.

It was then that the US effort shifted from a seminar series to a half-baked coaching company.

   anonymous said on Apr 09, 2009….

Former coach, thank you for clarifying what former employee was trying to put across, much clearer now & more credible too.

   anonymous said on Apr 09, 2009….

This post is addressed to both Craig Hohnberger and Neil Sinclair, ActionCoach Master Licencees who have done posts here (see posts from May & July 08)defending the “system”.

Guys, why not stick your necks out a little further and tell us how successful the franchisees you have recruited over the years have been and how those who are presently part of your teams are doing ?

Be careful what you say though as I am sorely tempted to post the names of those who were members of your team at different points in time in the past and who have since visibly moved on to other things and am only holding back from doing it out of respect for those peoples privacy.

Looking forward to seeing what more you have to contribute!

   anonymous said on Apr 09, 2009….

Interesting post (directly above). On one hand I feel it’s outside the scope of this thread to attach Craig et al. On the other hand, they continue to be a part of the system, long after knowing its flawed and the majority of coaches fail.

So in defense of them, I would be saying they couldn’t have known until after the fact. But in judgement of them I am thinking they continue to profit from the lies. You see, they have known by now for a long time that the success rate of coaches is inflated many times over; yet  they  continue to sell to new franchisees who HAVE NOT YET LEARNED they will fail as a result of the BS.

I consider each sale an act of BETRAUA: against fellow human beings. Furthermore, as a former coach myself I learned the reasons that the potential earnings figures are also a complete lie. Since a coach must do his own marketing and sales, as well as deliver service to his clients there comes a point where a coach is so busy providing service he can no longer grow his practice. There is simply not enough time to make the calls and appointments to get new clients. Even if the new coach COULD realistically find infinite hours in the day to get new business, he still must service his clients. For me the most clients I was able to service at a time was 8.

Loyal Actionites might say this number is weak or say I could have followed their system and hired someone to do my dialing or whatever. While true, I found that one cannot deliver quality advice (which BS hasn’t yet learned) and run a phone room selling to an infinite number of clients at the same time.

BS is BS. He would know this if he had ever delivered quality of advice and he would realize that the earnings claims are not sustainable because of the necessary cycle of Marketing to Prospects -> Providing Service (my apologies to those who feel the service aspect doesn’t require a coach’s time) -> Business Management (accounting, taxes, bills, etc).

Anyone who has ever tried to be a truly good source of advice to his clients will back me up on this, even if s/he loves the ground BS walks on.

   anonymous said on Apr 09, 2009….

I just posted above… The system isn’t allowing me to edit / correct spelling errors. BETRAUA = BETRAYAL!

   anonymous said on Apr 09, 2009….

I am a also a past coach and completely agree with the past coach.  I made an investment and lost.  I wish I had found this blog before being recruited.  I never would have done it.

   anonymous said on Apr 09, 2009….

It seems a lot of people are coming out of the woodwork to join this thread. I wonder what happened to Rich Gianinni. After reading some of these posts and a quick search here’s what I found

http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/0/347/RipOff0347485.htm

http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/0/359/RipOff0359417.htm

http://www.fcbbi.com/videofaq.html

Not sure if his venture is legitimate, if he’s still flogging Action, or if he’s posted here. Rich was not a bad guy but I wonder what side of the fence he’s on. Lot of lawsuits flying around

   anonymous said on Apr 14, 2009….

ANOTHER LAWSUIT

It just doesn’t stop! On April 13, 09 another lawsuit was filed against Actioncoach in the Nevada District Court by Marcus Management Case #09-A-58765-C. This is just another example that Brad Sugars must be stopped from destroying the lives of good hard working honest people. It is time the victims work together and file a class action lawsuit against this theif. I am thankfull for this site which has most likely saved alot of people from being ripped off by Brad Sugars and Actioncoach. Unfortunately this is little consolation for the individuals he has already stolen from. 

   bloglatest said on Apr 14, 2009….

To get the real truth on Action and cut through all the Bull S the process is simple.
1. GOOGLE: ACTIONCOACH
2. Click actioncoach.com
3. click on find a coach
4. Pick ANY of the 1000+ coaches around the world (at random or choose a selection)
5. Email them/call them and ask them what it is like to a) be an ActionCOACH b) be part of the ActionCOACH team c) have Brad Sugars as a CEO and d) any other questions that you would like REAL answers for and not answers from disgruntled ex employees, rival business coaching firms, biased actioncoach franchise owners/master licensees/employees
It is that simple.
Or you can talk to my sister who’s friend’s friend told her that in 2004….

   anonymous said on Apr 14, 2009….

ANOTHER LASUIT – 04-14-09

This lawsuit will most likely deal with a breach of contract (or similar) issue with The Platinum Hotel.

   anonymous said on Apr 15, 2009….

bloglatest: It’s not as easy as you described for I did exactly what you said when I was evaluating the franchise. Over email, NONE of them dare to write anything other than positives to avoid the wrath of their MLs and Brad Sugars, take it from me, I know from personal experience having joined and left within a year, fighting tooth & nail to get out. After joining, I heard the other side of the story, from the very same coaches who told me everything was rosy when I was on the outside! Most live in fear as Brad & his MLs threaten lawsuits at every turn for the most ridiculous of reasons. For example, when I was there, his team threatened and actually sent legal breach letters to coaches all over the world for not attending regional conferences. Conferences where coaches are expected to pay for every expenses themselves on top of paying conference fees and the conference speakers are coaches themselves who are not paid anything except to participate in the culture of sharing. Guess who made money in the name of continuous education and who got fleeced, legally? So if anyone wish to seriously consider what bloglatest wrote, make you avoid the MLs (they earn a HUGE percentage of the initial franchise fees, they have no reason not to sell you.) and approach the coach(s) as an interested party of their coaching service. Get to really know the coach before asking and swear on your mother’s grave you will keep everything confidential.

   anonymous said on Apr 15, 2009….

bloglatest: It’s not as easy as you described for I did exactly what you said when I was evaluating the franchise. Over email, NONE of them dare to write anything other than positives to avoid the wrath of their MLs and Brad Sugars, take it from me, I know from personal experience having joined and left within a year, fighting tooth & nail to get out. After joining, I heard the other side of the story, from the very same coaches who told me everything was rosy when I was on the outside! Most live in fear as Brad & his MLs threaten lawsuits at every turn for the most ridiculous of reasons. For example, when I was there, his team threatened and actually sent legal breach letters to coaches all over the world for not attending regional conferences. Conferences where coaches are expected to pay for every expenses themselves on top of paying conference fees and the conference speakers are coaches themselves who are not paid anything except to participate in the culture of sharing. Guess who made money in the name of continuous education and who got fleeced, legally? So if anyone wish to seriously consider what bloglatest wrote, make you avoid the MLs (they earn a HUGE percentage of the initial franchise fees, they have no reason not to sell you.) and approach the coach(s) as an interested party of their coaching service. Get to really know the coach before asking and swear on your mother’s grave you will keep everything confidential.

   bloglatest said on Apr 15, 2009….

Hmmm, thanks for your reply. I can’t help but think though that a lot of it doesn’t add up. When you say “NONE of them dare to write anything other than positives to avoid the wrath of their MLs and Brad Sugars” What exactly are you saying here? Are you saying that if you ask a Franchisee how they are getting on with their franchise they lie and say its going extremely well, when really its making them broke just so Brad (who has apparently conned them out of their money) doesn’t threaten a lawsuit. COME ON. I think more highly of people then that and to state that all the people you spoke to at ActionCOACH during your due diligence lied to you is just nonsense. A lot of the coaches that join ActionCOACH do so because they want to help businesses. I have 2 close friends who were directors of FTSE 100 companies and joined Action as they wanted to help businesses, not for the money. They would never give false information to a prospective franchisee just in case they incurred the wrath of the MLs or Brad. It is clear from a number of the above comments that a number of them are malicious and made by competitors, disgruntled employees, current employees, old and new coaches. There are too many conflicting interests to have a real discussion and you need to fight to find the facts amongst all the lies.

   anonymous said on Apr 15, 2009….

Hi All, I am evaluating the franchise when I stumbled upon this, read everything written, took me 2 whole hours! Bloglatest, since you claim to know 2 friends who are willing to talk or reply to email, do you mind listing their names and contacts here to save me and others some time? I’ve actually tried to talk to some coaches other than those referred to me by the ML for my due diligence, I am always politely pointed back to the ML. And for the due diligence process, I am supposed to ask just five questions and report back what I’ve discovered in my ‘assignment’, questions like “What does it take to be a successful coach?” “What was your greatest challenge in your first 6 months?” “What was your biggest mistakes in the first 6 months as a business coach.” I find it dodgy if you know what I mean, those questions are tailored to elicit a certain response and does not in anyway address the concerns of how well these franchisees are doing. Rather, they seem to be an extension of the sales process. They are reluctant to answer anything else besides those 5 preapred questions. Any comments anyone?

   anonymous said on Apr 15, 2009….

Run!!!

   anonymous said on Apr 15, 2009….

Lol, bloglatest, what an apt nick for the latest attempt at spin 🙂 Let’s see, a person who’s sister’s friend’s friend told her what to do back in in 2004… but then went on to list steps which include action marketing spin like 1000+ coaches around the world. By the way back in 2004 they were still known as Action International and definitely does not have or claim to have 1000+ coaches then. For someone who are supposedly not associated with Action except as a distant neutral observer as you tried to project, you sure know their marketing very well and kept yourself updated 🙂 Your response to the anom below you then went from sister’s friend’s friend to having 2 friends who are directors of some big companies actually part of action… talk about inconsistency, look at yourself first. Whoever read those comments can judge for themselves, while the anom might be a bit on the extreme side, he/she furnish at least did furnish details that showed he/she was on the inside, your ‘clever’ spin on behalf of action came across just as what it is, spin, no meat at all. A neutral and distant person who suddenly decide to create an ID just to post here using action’s marketing statistics to back up your ‘neutral’ post. C’mon, to end this thread once and for all, all you have to do is to provide statistics as some posts above suggested: average earnings per coach, success ratio, etc… simple, let the facts speak, not the spin. What is so difficult about furnishing statistics if you have any? Surely action will double of triple franchise sales immediately, so why not unless it’s hyped up? What’s next after ‘franchise attorney’, ‘my coach ask me to write’ and you?

   bloglatest said on Apr 15, 2009….

The post above is clearly phoney, if you were actually looking at investing in a franchise would you seriously only ask 5 questions? No way, you’d ask 50. And as for the franchisees you refer to them like robots like they have a set script. They are people and are not part of some big conspiracy that they pay thousands of dollars to be part of and con more people into.

They way the above post is written is in the exact style of a number of other “prospective coach” posts. All not asking questions that you would expect of someone who was seriously considering buying a franchise but of someone who is trying to purposely sabotage a company. It is so transparent.

Shame on you. For those seriously looking into a franchise I urge you to simply do your own full due diligence, not just with ActionCOACH but with any and all possible business coaching franchises. Do beware that some franchises do use dirty tactics and slander each other, (see above). But, simply keep asking all the questions you have to until you get every answer you want, and if after that point you are confident in your ability and the organisation you decide on…do a bit more research, cool down and with a straight head make an informed decision.

No one should ever rush you, it will be one of the biggest decisions you make in your life. Talk to a franchise broker or business advisery service who will help you identify the questions you should ask.

Whatever you do don’t listen to the above posts, the internet is a great place for faceless cowards to call people names, spread lies and hype with no substance and have no comeback.

Good luck looking for a business, i’ve spent way too long posting on this site!! But hope ive helped

   bloglatest said on Apr 16, 2009….

The last post I made was in response to the post above “run….”

Regarding the last post. “My sisters freinds friend” was sarcasm you fool….read the post.

   anonymous said on Apr 16, 2009….

bloglatest, I am the prospective coach who mentioned about the 5 questions I was supposed to ask, I actually ignored what others said about you but now I am real upset that you to call me phoney and for lashing out at me for not asking more than 5. I said I was given by the ML such a list of questions to ask and the coaches I asked answered those 5, I did not say I don’t have more questions, else why would I google and reach this thread! I said I stumbled upon this website as part of my research! Funny how you told off someone else as ‘fool’ and to ‘read the post’ but you lash out at me without understanding mine. I am thinking the rest of the posters were right about you, you seem to describe yourself in describing others, you are anonymous as well, a nick doesn’t count, you feint anger when asked about your two friends and the rest you just brush off as not understanding sarcasm. Famous last words, read the posts yourself you fool, before responding! Such defensiveness can only mean others hit too close for comfort. You could have offered to give me the names of your friends in a private note if you do not want to list them here and if you were genuine, instead, you conveniently call me phoney and others fools. Read the post, you anonymoust like everyone else is fool! Now, you more than anyone else, have made me think twice about joining action if they employ the likes of you.

   bloglatest said on Apr 16, 2009….

Youve lost me? Lashing out for not asking more than 5 questions? I’m not angry, not an employee, don’t even care really just get on my high horse when I feel like people are being manipulated…as for giving you names of friends. I’ll do one better

   bloglatest said on Apr 16, 2009….

   anonymous said on Apr 16, 2009….

Dear Bloglatest, prospective coach here. First, you called me phoney, then you pretend you have no idea what I am talking about (In fact, that’s what you did with other posters who questioned your intention, you either selectively ignore or take the moral highground.) Then finally, your friends turn out to be testimonial videos which action has been using to convince me all this while, on top of the scripted due dilligence I was asked to go through! Thank you for helping me make my decision, when the ML call me for my answer, I will quote this thread, I will inform her my decision is no, not because of all the negative posters here, but because of posters like yourself who claim to have nothing to do with action but so readily quote action statistics and link to action testimonials. Why would anyone who has nothing to do with action come here to post the way you did? At least the negative posters here are honest enough to admit they are ex-coaches, ex-employees and even failed coaches. You pretend to have no vested interest but the amount of time you spent here replying posts and defending yourself shows that you do have an agenda. At least, I was evaluating the franchise and was about to commit a large sum of money, I have a reason to monitor the replies, what is your excuse for being here continuously the past 1-2 days?

   anonymous said on Apr 16, 2009….

Great testimonials posted by Bloglatest who, for a neutral, seems to be going to a hell of a lot of trouble to defend the Action franchise…

The problem is none of these testimonials prove anything except that maybe a few people have done OK with the Action franchise. I guess they must have or the franchise wouldn’t have survived until now.

Rumour has it that Action has trained about 3000 people since the beginning (1997) of whom about 1000, (if you believe Action’s figures) are still in activity today. If you talk to these people you will find the vast majority have been in the system for less than two years.

So yes, a few people make something of this franchise but unless Action is willing to publish statistics on how many survive beyond one year, two years, three years etc.. and how many sign on for a new contract, I would remain very suspicious about this business.

   bloglatest said on Apr 16, 2009….

And your life changing decision is based on? “I will inform her my decision is no, not because of all the negative posters here, but because of posters like yourself who claim to have nothing to do with action but so readily quote action statistics and link to action testimonials.” I can assure you I have no affiliations whatsoever with Actioncoach I run a fairly successful network marketing firm in the UK and haven’t even been a client of Actions although I have attended one of Brads seminars in 2007 when he toured with his Billionaire seminar tour and also part read a few of his books (and at one point almost did become a client). I posted the video links as one of my friends is featured in both of them and im sure he would be more than happy to speak with you.

I don’t really think you should even be considering buying a business if your mind is made up over a blog. Best of luck though mate. Next time Mr Sugars comes to whereever you live maybe you should have a chat!!! As for me being on here constantly for the past day and a half. I post on about 40 forums and blogs (which I rotate) and get about 75%+ of my clients through this means. I subscribe to all and respond whenever I get PM’d. If i’m directly addressed I can’t help but respond!!! And some posts I’ve been replying for over 6 years!!! 😉 I’m also a Leo, so will always fight the other side to even the argument and will never back down from an argument!

   bloglatest said on Apr 16, 2009….

And your life changing decision is based on? “I will inform her my decision is no, not because of all the negative posters here, but because of posters like yourself who claim to have nothing to do with action but so readily quote action statistics and link to action testimonials.” I can assure you I have no affiliations whatsoever with Actioncoach I run a fairly successful network marketing firm in the UK and haven’t even been a client of Actions although I have attended one of Brads seminars in 2007 when he toured with his Billionaire seminar tour and also part read a few of his books (and at one point almost did become a client). I posted the video links as one of my friends is featured in both of them and im sure he would be more than happy to speak with you.

I don’t really think you should even be considering buying a business if your mind is made up over a blog. Best of luck though mate. Next time Mr Sugars comes to whereever you live maybe you should have a chat!!! As for me being on here constantly for the past day and a half. I post on about 40 forums and blogs (which I rotate) and get about 75%+ of my clients through this means. I subscribe to all and respond whenever I get PM’d. If i’m directly addressed I can’t help but respond!!! And some posts I’ve been replying for over 6 years!!! 😉 I’m also a Leo, so will always fight the other side to even the argument and will never back down from an argument!

   anonymous said on Apr 16, 2009….

Wow, I came across all this looking to see whether the #1 Business Coaching Firm could really deliver on their claims to be able to “grow my business.”

By now people reading my note (way down here at the bottom of this page) have encountered twenty-five thousand words (I used a program to count them) of debate. Such a long debate with so very many participants would not be taking place if it weren’t plausible — just plausible — that Mr. Sugars will apparently lie, steal, cheat, threaten,  scheme, violate, plagiarize, scapegoat, misrepresent, and otherwise abuse people for his own selfish gain.

Good for him if none of it is true, but I don’t even have to assert my own initial impression here; instead, just look up The Pope and tell me if similar debate can be found within the millions of pages on the Internet.

It’s clear that some posters are part of the franchise sales end of the business and most seem to be currently or formerly involved as employees or franchisees or customers — all of whom have provided very valuable insights about their inside knowledge.

On the other hand, the sales people are making some valid points too: simply calling and speaking with any current coach on their website would possibly provide some honest points of view, provided of course, you ask questions that can be substantiated and proven.

If you, too, are considering doing business with (or buying a franchise from) ActionCOACH, I say do your homework. Take good notes and throw out any claims that you cannot verify through your own research (in other words, do NOT use their marketing material or their statements as proof).

   anonymous said on Apr 16, 2009….

Wow. I was sent the link to this blog by a friend. He posted above and I was involved (sorry sales guys, my experience stacks up on the negative side too).

What backpedaling, bloglatest. Then again, it seems like almost all of the “plants” show up here with their arrogant antics. The cycle goes like this:

Actually, about 2/3 the way through explaining why you “plants” keep blowing it I decided NOT to tell you HOW you keep blowing it. Poor simpletons… let’s just suffice it to say that you really, really need to consider the following statement, look at it, absorb it, believe it:

You — none of you — are smart enough to pull off what you keep trying to do, which is to fool the people reading this blog.

Let me assure you that the type of person who is savvy enough to conduct his or her own independent research is smart enough to laugh in your faces, but probably too professional to do so. Your founder is responsible for the growth of the company from the beginning, and the basis for that growth IS plagiarism, fluff and lies. And I have seen plenty of individuals grow arrogant and pompous over time as a result of being part of a system that seemed bullet proof, superior  and/or successful (however they may measure success). Getting people to buy your franchise MIGHT give you the right to feel talented if all those sales were not based on 80% B.S. (get it… B.S… anyway…).

Strictly from a SALES perspective, Action (International, COACH, whatever) has unarguably performed exceptionally well. When anyone looks at that marker under the microscope, many people arrive at the same conclusion, while others stand on the other side of the line and argue that it has merit. So be it. Agree to disagree… whatever.

However, you may think that because you have so-far been able to market the lies that continue to remain perpetuated in the marketing of the Action franchise and the action coaching services, which brings in your leads (genuine people who want to believe your lies), and you are able to pick LOW-HANGING-FRUIT doesn’t make you smart, intelligent, nor experienced enough to pull off fooling intelligent, savvy people.

Trust me on this: You are embarrassing yourselves, especially as more and more of you try to be next in line to take your turn at going incognito on this blog (and SOOO many other places where you’re being attacked) and artificially support the organization, Mr. Sugars or whatever aspect you choose to defend. The best thing you can do at this point is STOP trying. You’re not smart enough to pull it off.

Please, don’t take that as the same as being told *you are stupid*! That is not what I am saying at all. I’m only saying that those of you who have chosen to try it have done nothing more than offended smart people (offend potential buyers) and created distrust and deep doubt about ponying up their live savings for the franchise or writing a check for thousands of dollars to receive Action’s valuable services.

As I mentioned above, my experience was not positive, so I’m not sure why I’m doing you the favor of showing you your mistake and how to stop causing offense to smart people. But I think not everyone in the organization is a bad person, no matter how tainted they may have become as a result of exposure to a horribly tainted organization.

Good Luck!

   anonymous said on Apr 16, 2009….

Mr. Leo bloglatest… fascinating

network marketing = pyramid scheme. Your credibility is low and as you keep posting it only gets lower.

“I don’t really think you should even be considering buying a business if your mind is made up over a blog”

But you get most of your business from blogs and forums?

Well now. Isn’t that INTERESTING. So you would have people read a UFOC that’s been uncovered here as a load of crap not by one person but by many. And you want us to believe “canned” testimonials that Action chooses. Action has plenty to hide and they have until now. The lies and deceit are coming out. Posing as an administrator as a scare tactic; threatening legal action for coaches that “tell the truth” to prospective coaches, Actioncoach personnel posing as imposters, sexual harassment, and on and on. You have been found out!

The power of the internet and anonymous communication (for fear of retribution) will take Mr. Sugars down. It’s just a matter of time. As the discussion heats up we get closer to the end of Actioncoach. He’s held back information and misrepresented the “opportunity” That is fraud and he will pay dearly for it. This is only one thread but it sure has garnered attention. I only wish I had the truth before I wrote the cheque.

A former coach who lost.

   anonymous said on Apr 16, 2009….

Another question for Mr Bloglatest. Supposing you had the decency to ask the people who did the video testimonials you posted here for permission to do so, could you also invite them to make direct testimonials here stating among other things;

1)  When they joined Action?

2) How many of the people they trained with are still with Action?

3) How many of the people who joined in their region in that particular year are still with Action?

That would really add a lot of credibility to your post.

Cheers! 

   anonymous said on Apr 16, 2009….

Just got back to this blog, interesting, 2 years running and still so active. Bloglatest is just one in a long line of action plants, from soulcastadmin to franchise attorney to… but he is definitely one of the most inconsistent so far not to mention arrogant. A neutral 3rd party who quote corporate lines and post corporate videos, yeah right. So much holes from 1 post to the next he’s simply making a fool out of himself and he call others fools. I agree with the poster who said you should really gain the trust of a coach before you can believe what he said about the business, common sense as well as part of the ‘mystery shopper’ strategy that action preach to their clients. Prospective Coach was also very clear, he decided not to take up the franchise not because of the negative posts here but because you, acting on behalf of action, treated him like an ignorant idiot. He probably realize what kind of culture you really practise as oppose to what you preach, lucky for him he saw through you before he sign his cheque. So tell Brad Sugars, he just lost one not because of the ‘negative bitching’ going on here, he lost one because you, as his representative, acted in the most despicable manner by pretending to be a 3rd party leading him on, only to end up showing corporate videos. By the way, could it be that bloglatest is so inconsistent and able to post round the clock because more than one action plant is sharing the same ID to post?

   anonymous said on Apr 16, 2009….

Just got back to this blog, interesting, 2 years running and still so active. Bloglatest is just one in a long line of action plants, from soulcastadmin to franchise attorney to… but he is definitely one of the most inconsistent so far not to mention arrogant. A neutral 3rd party who quote corporate lines and post corporate videos, yeah right. So much holes from 1 post to the next he’s simply making a fool out of himself and he call others fools. I agree with the poster who said you should really gain the trust of a coach before you can believe what he said about the business, common sense as well as part of the ‘mystery shopper’ strategy that action preach to their clients. Prospective Coach was also very clear, he decided not to take up the franchise not because of the negative posts here but because you, acting on behalf of action, treated him like an ignorant idiot. He probably realize what kind of culture you really practise as oppose to what you preach, lucky for him he saw through you before he sign his cheque. So tell Brad Sugars, he just lost one not because of the ‘negative bitching’ going on here, he lost one because you, as his representative, acted in the most despicable manner by pretending to be a 3rd party leading him on, only to end up showing corporate videos. By the way, could it be that bloglatest is so inconsistent and able to post round the clock because more than one action plant is sharing the same ID to post?

   anonymous said on Apr 16, 2009….

By the way bloglatest, to add on to my post immediate above, you called Prospective Coach phoney and you did lash out at him without even reading what he wrote, the ML he met wanted him to ask just those 5 questions in his due dilligence, that was what he wrote. You actually hinted that he was not so bright as if he wanted to ask only those questions, then when you realize he could be genuine, you backpedalled furiously as someone else mentioned above. And not only did you not apologize for the earlier insults, you proceed to insult him further by telling him you can do ‘one better’ than just introducing your friends… and the ‘one better’ was… posting action corporate videos which as he said he’s already seen as part of action’s sales process. Great job on behalf of Action, make sure you get your just rewards.

   anonymous said on Apr 16, 2009….

Someone get a lawyer to read this on behalf of the future plaintiffs.

   anonymous said on Apr 16, 2009….

Judging by the way bloglatest desperately tried to belittle prospective coach’s decision making and encouraging him to speak to Brad, ie, reverse psycology, he obviously understood and knew he blew it with a genuine prospect, though he still pretended he didn’t. Triple insult on a prospective coach who asked nicely enough and bloglatest want to pin it on the negative posters here. How about taking some ‘ownership’, huh?

   anonymous said on Apr 17, 2009….

I recently was approached to purchase an Actioncoach Franchise. After receiving their disclosure documents I decided to do my own investigation. I did see this site but when I mentioned it to the Action sales rep was told all the posts were posted by a disgruntled employee and his team who started a business coaching franchise. I do say he did sound quite believable and had quite a story to back it up. But one thing bothered me and that was the alleged lawsuits. Their UFOC only lists three. I started to look further and found many lawsuits and wondered how they could get away without listing them. When I tried to call a couple of the ActionCoach’ for a reference, after taking my contact information neither one called back. I tried to call a few that left the system listed in the disclosure documents but they were either disconnected or wrong numbers. After I decided against the whole thing the Action sales rep became insulting blaming this site for my decision and informing me I was gullible. For whatever it’s worth this site did not change my mind it was their disclosure documents which I found deceptive and untruthful. 

   anonymous said on Apr 17, 2009….

RE: Purchase of AC Franchise…I unfortunately did not do enough do diligence. Shame on me.

   anonymous said on Apr 17, 2009….

Sure there are disgruntled employees here (note the plural) But I, as well as others are disgruntled coaches. Good people who put up the money in hopes of having the promises fulfilled. Many here were in the same boat you are now in; making a decision, a big long-term decision. There are even existing coaches here who realise what Brad is. If you do your due diligence you’ll find that the few successful coaches are all good people but they have done it based on what they are not what action will claim to make you. The “system” is a joke it’s a mish-mash of plagiarised ideas that don’t hang together very well. There is no cohesiveness there is no system. There may be some “take-aways” and some a-ha moments but it’s all out there. Start by looking at “landmark” training. Do a search on “large group awareness training” and look for a site by Rick Ross. http://www.rickross.com

Action is a cult. If you don’t succeed (that is pay  your fees) you are the diseased one, you’re not “above the line”. Good luck in seeing through all the high-pressure sales tactics.

   anonymous said on Apr 17, 2009….

bloglatest, prospective coach here again. I am sure you are reading this though you’ve disappeared since you came in here and bashed everybody over a 24 hour round-the-clock period. I told the ML my decision was ‘No’ and that I was at this thread and I wasn’t influenced by the negative posters but by the manipulative tricks you tried. First, she pretend she didn’t know what I was talking about and tried to persuade me… finally, guess what. She admitted that Action uses ‘3rd party referral strategy’ which is very effective which they can teach me to get clients, they do it by planting ‘neutral parties’ in blogs, BNIs and other networking functions, where these plants supposedly ‘know an actioncoach’ and raves about the coaches and suggest people they meet should consider purchasing a franchise. She said you ‘might’ be an overzealous one and apologized for it and she said I should let that distract me from the facts that the franchise works. bloglatest, if you really are who you claim you are, then you make a big innocent mistake defending them here and I suggest you update your ‘two friends’. And if you are not innocent as claimed, SCREW YOU, A$$H@LE, for what you attempted!

   anonymous said on Apr 18, 2009….

What a crock of S##T! “Action uses ‘3rd party referral strategy’ which is very effective which they can teach me to get clients, they do it by planting ‘neutral parties’ in blogs, BNIs and other networking functions, where these plants supposedly ‘know an actioncoach’ and raves about the coaches and suggest people they meet should consider purchasing a franchise.”

Why would a coach agree to such a malicious tactic? I’ve been a coach for the past 3 years and can 100% guarantee that such a tactic is absolute crap. The coach would surely be risking his/her reputation and potentially whole business and for what? To help sell a franchise? It just would not happen and more to the point, would an ML communicate this most unethical strategy to a “prospective coach” that had just decided NOT to buy a franchise? Of course not. My conclusion…Prospective coach YOU are a plant, 100%.

   anonymous said on Apr 18, 2009….

Hmm… Lets ignore everything else posted here for a while and just read read the exchanges between bloglatest & prospective coach. it is quite clear that while prospective coach was polite(until his final post that is) and consistent, bloglatest has been inconsistent throughout and backpedalled a couple of times from post to post. So my conclusion… I tend to believe the person who is consistent. On a different note, I wonder how much the original blogger Johnson is earning from such an active thread 🙂

   anonymous said on Apr 18, 2009….

LOL… to the anom who wrote prospective coach is a plant… LOL… sorry, I just can’t help laughing out loud… a ‘plant’, in my opinion, should be someone with an agenda to reverse/cast doubt/counter a certain trend. This thread’s trend is very obvious to all visitors as being anti-action. In the exchanges above between bloglatest and prospective coach, one was seeking information and one was working hard to reverse/cast doubt/counter the obvious trend here(besides the inconsistencies, the biggest giveaway was his two friends which end up as testimonial videos). Unless someone has vested interest or has very strong pro- or anti- action tendencies, it is quite easy to determine rationally who the plant could be. By the way, anom, congratulations for being a coach for 3 years, I am sure you must be one of the ‘good guys’ to make it this far. But even the greatest organizations in the world have some bad apples, you cannot discount the possibility outright you might have colleagues who’s just interested in making a sale…

   anonymous said on Apr 18, 2009….

There is clearly a lot of crap on this blog, from those who are visibly anti Action and even more so from those “neutrals” who keep coming out of the woodwork to try to counter all the negative posts. However, it is interesting to note that since Jodie Shaw’s post right at the beginning of this thread, no one from Action has tried to provide anything remotely like straight answers to the questions raised here.

Also, regarding the “neutrals”, I have just noticed that “Bloglatest” is still logged onto this site and seems to have been logged on here permanently since his/her first post 3 days ago. Humm, a bit strange to say the least especially given the deafening silence from this contributor since some of the reactions to his/her posts …

Bloglatest, when are your friends on the videos going to post here and answer the questions that were asked above?

On the same subject, since everything is squeaky clean in the world of Action, I am just a little surprised that Craig Hohnberger and Neil Sinclair haven’t come back here to answer the questions that they were asked.

Might it be that all of these people are seriously afraid of getting sued if they provided straight answers to the questions raised, either by their existing franchisees who were lied to when they joined (at minimum by omission) or by former franchisees who will know from the answers that they are lying…?

   anonymous said on Apr 18, 2009….

Hello all, I want to share my own experience evaluating the actioncoach franchise. I am not in US or UK, in my country, the franchise act is not very tight and does not require disclosure of lawsuits, number of failures, etc. My experience is 2+ years ago though and I’ve never met Brad Sugars, my experience is from responding to a classified followed by attending a preview seminar, after which I had a one-to-one with the ML, got a copy of the draft agreement and coaches to contact for the due diligence process. I can relate to what ‘prospective coach’ wrote above. The due diligence was positioned as an assignment which I have to do, which was to speak to 5 coaches and ask them the 5 questions given. I asked why those 5 coaches and not more, I was told the team is very busy with their clients and there were many coach prospects, so they had to limit each to 5. That was the stage at which I got a bit suspicious because it sounded very convenient. Furthermore, I was not given a straight answer when I asked how many failed. I delayed my decision and got a couple of my friends to register for the preview and go through the same process, all of whom were given the same 5 names to call! I did a bit more research on my own online. A friend who was an IT guru showed me a way I can find out. He pointed me to a web archive which crawled the worldwide web and archived pages from early 1996 to just a few months from current. He showed me how to ‘peel the site’ for the number of coaches listed in the ‘find a coach’ for each year in my territory. (Sorry for the ‘techspeak’, those interested can google for “wayback machine”. Do it fast though; the web archive mentioned has an opt-out policy where companies can request for a code to add to their websites to avoid being archived. But that is not the only way though. According to my tech guru friend, some university websites archive pages in their caches for years before cleaning them up, but those are much more difficult for a layperson to extract, I definitely cannot do it.) What I discovered was in the territory I wanted to invest in, besides the top 20-30% of coaches who’s listed year after year, the other names keep changing and the total number of coaches over a 5 year period remained more or less the same. Perhaps ‘prospective coach’ and I were both so unlucky to coincidentally meet the same unprofessional ML, or maybe it is just the way their system is, who knows? I am just glad my suspicion held me back, I don’t think I would have enjoyed being in a franchise where only 20-30% actually make it and opinions are so polarized. I would like to stresws though, those figures are based on my own research 2+ years ago on my own territory, things might have improved since then.

   anonymous said on Apr 18, 2009….

Me think bloglatest = coach who said “What a crock of S##T!” above.

   anonymous said on Apr 19, 2009….

People, really? It’s not that serious! Just let it go! Get over it! This company and this guy don’t spend a fraction of the time thinking about you that you invest being angry at both of them!

   anonymous said on Apr 19, 2009….

TO THOSE WHO HAVE TOO MUCH HATE…

   anonymous said on Apr 19, 2009….

Funny the last two posts. For one, both the open posts from people representing Action and the rather clumsy anonymous posts of late would seem to show that someone from Action takes the content of this blog very seriously and rightly so because anyone who does a Google search on ActionCoach or Brad Sugars finds it immediately.

Secondly, I haven’t seen that much hate, just some stories,some very credible and some less so. The real positive about this blog is that it provides a very public place to discuss the facts about a franchise which seems, at minimum, a little controversial. Reading it from beginning to end one can only wonder why people from Action don’t put a stop to it all by simply publishing the figures that have been requested in quite a few posts.

   anonymous said on Apr 19, 2009….

I received an e-mail solicitation from Action Coach through Linked-in. Very glad I found this site and didn’t pursue a follow-up. Even if only half the negative comments were true I might conclude many of the positives are too, so where does that leave the reader? The fact is that no legitimate business operating with integrity should get such scathing reviews. Maybe Linked-in should be made aware of this company’s questionable reputation before allowing them to recruit off that site any further.

   anonymous said on Apr 19, 2009….

They used to data mine on Monster.com and Google! Just add Actioncoach as one of your affiliations and watch coaches, MLs and company executives connect to you without abandon even though they have no idea who you are 🙂

   anonymous said on Apr 20, 2009….

Holy! I did a search for actioncoach + bni & it lead me here, and I got to use word search to find the post with bni in it, such a long thread! I am a bni member, my actioncoach is no longer in bni because apparently there was a falling out between the country heads of action & bni in my country, just curious whether I can find something online. Well, the reason I post is I don’t understand why the coach above said the ‘3rd party referral strategy’ is totally unethical and action would never teach such a strategy because I am having exactly such a strategy with an actioncoach! I am an insurance agent and I’ve had an actioncoach for 2 years, I am very happy with her service to date so I have nothing to add to the negative posts here. Since my coach no longer attend bni she came out with a strategy which was a win-win for both of us. In my networking with new members and visitors of bni, I will casually bring action into the conversation and suggest that they see my coach for a 1 hour free consultation. In return, my coach paid my bni fees and a referral fee for each successful sale. Its a win-win for both of us. So I am not sure why the coach here seems to contradict my coach and say its totally unethical, perhaps the coach was misinformed or misused the strategy in an unethical manner himself?

   anonymous said on Apr 20, 2009….

“People, really? It’s not that serious! Just let it go! Get over it! This company and this guy don’t spend a fraction of the time thinking about you that you invest being angry at both of them!” “TO THOSE WHO HAVE TOO MUCH HATE…” If you read the tone of these posts and bloglatest’s other posts, its probably his/her parting shots before logging off this site 🙂 But I am sure he/she is still monitoring this blog and will return in some form soon. ps: bloglatest, getting leads for your mlm business through blogs and forums is a fine strategy… until one realize that no one who claimed to get 75% of customers from blogs/forums will be stupid enough to try getting leads from an anonymous blog such as this one.

 

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